hi fellow ateneans and alumni ... just wanna ask a question... after the blue eagles won the title to the uaap championsip 2002 men's basketball, i sunddenly realized what has been the cause of the legendary rival between the two schools... what, why and how did it start?
hope you guys will share you FYI's about this topic thanks

There was no real origin. Things just evolved through the years given that many Ateneans and La Sallites of old came from the same elite circle of friends and relatives. It was very common to find Aranetas, Yulos, Sorianos, McMickings, and Roxases divided between Blue and Green. The practice of American Jesuits and Christian Brothers to teach their students to agressively root for their schools through cheers, songs, and attendance in athletic competitions American-style fanned the flames further. However, the rivalry first manifested itelf big time shortly before WWII when a then upstart La Salle basketball team beat the highly-favored Ateneo squad for the NCAA title. La Sallites celebrated by throwing fried chickens (fried eagles) in the streets (at that time, the country wasn't poor and good food was plenty). Ateneans were embittered by that incident which aggravated the already simmering rivalry.

From Pex:

2000 Asiaweek TOP 77 Asian/Australian Universities Rankings:

No. 48: University of the Philippines Diliman
No. 71: De La Salle University Manila
No. 72: Ateneo de Manila University
No. 74: University of Santo Tomas


Number of CHED-awarded Centers-of-Excellence (COEs):

De La Salle University - 10
Ateneo de Manila University - only 9


PAASCU/CHED Accreditation Level:

De La Salle University Manila - Level 4 (the highest accreditation level) - awarded to De La Salle last March 2002.
Ateneo de Manila University - Level 3


Microsoft's SOLE Philippine Academic Partner (awarded in August 2000):

De La Salle University Manila NOT Ateneo nor AMA.


CHED-designated Research Centers in Metro Manila:

Only Two namely De La Salle University Manila and University of the Philippines-Diliman NOT Ateneo


Board/Bar Exams Topped in Schoolyears 2001 & 2002:

DLSU-Manila:

1. Certified Public Accountants (CPA)
2. Electronics & Communications Eng'g (ECE)
3. Chemical Engineering
4. Mechanical Engineering
5. Teachers' Board Exam

Ateneo:

-NONE-


Inter-Collegiate Contests TOPPED in Schoolyear 2002-03:

DLSU-Manila:
1. Finex Finance Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-2nd)
2. Inquirer Debate Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-2nd)
3. Industrial Engineering Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-absent)
4. Electronics & Communications Eng'g Inter-Collegiate
(Ateneo-2nd)

Ateneo:
1. Operations Research Inter-Collegiate

Another big thing which fanned the flames of the rivalry was when la salle was aiming for a back-to-back win in the NCAA. The la sallites were heavily favored, only to be disqualified (and therefore dethroned) when the Ateneo coaching staff pointed out to the NCAA board that la salle was fielding an ineligble player.

[b]OFF TOPIC

JJ,

1) Please verify your so-called facts above and please name the DLSU alumni who topped the Board exams you mentioned. A quick look at your claim shows you're full of lies and B.S. For instance, the 2002 topnotcher in the Chemical Engineering board exam is from Adamson University, not DLRT. What about the other Board exams, please name the DLRTians who topped the so-called exams and please substantiate your claim? Also, if you don't mind, please include DLRT's average passing rate for each Board exam, which I know for a fact is quite dismal.

2) DLRT may have 10 Centers of Excellence compared to Ateneo's 9. However, Ateneo is a much, much smaller university with approximately 5,500 college students, compared to DLRT's 16,000+ students and that's not even including the other DLRT diploma mills like CSB, Araneta U, etc. In other words, Ateneo has a higher concentration of Centers of Excellence/Development than DLRT given its much smaller size.
http://www.ched.gov.ph/statistics/coecods.html

Furthermore, if you compare all Ateneo schools and all DLRT system schools, you will find that Ateneo totally outclasses DLRT. Ateneo de Davao, Xavier U, etc. have COEs and/or CODs, whereas the the other DLRT system schools are minimally present. Surprise, surprise???

3) Furthermore, DLRT was included in CHED's infamous blacklist of schools that offer substandard courses in 2002. That is further proof of how dismal the DLRT quality of education is.

4) Regarding academic competitions in 2002, your list is incomplete. Don't forget the following:

a) Asians Debating School Teams Competition, Bangkok - Ateneo won 1st place (DLRT did not even make it to the semifinals).

Asian Debating Competition Top 10 Debaters in Asia, Bangkok - 7 Ateneans are in the Top 10 (None from DLRT).

c) PANA Marketing Competition - First Place -Ateneo (DLRT not even a factor)

d) Operations Research - First Place - Ateneo. To date, Ateneo has won 8 first place finishes, compared to 4 for UP and a measly 1 for DLRT.

e) Statistics - In the annual STAT-is-EEKS competition, Ateneo won first place once again (back to back champions. In 2002, two Ateneo teams won first and second place respectively, demonstrating Ateneo's dominance in the field of mathematics and statistics. As usual, the laggards from DLRT were not a factor.

f) Microsoft Asian Programming Competition - Ateneo won first place in 2002. The hyped-up Computer Science program of DLRT was a no show amongst the top teams in Asia.

g) Microsoft International .Net Competition 2002 - Ateneo won the global competition. DLRT was not a factor and, as usual, a no show amongst the top contenders.

h) Electronics Communications Engineering Competition - While it's true DLRT won first place in 2003 with Ateneo a close second (note: DLRT only beat Ateneo as a result of a correct "chamba" guess in the last multiple choice question), in 2002 Ateneo won third place in the same competition with DLRT not making it in the top 3.

i)2003 Inter-University Programming Contest - Ateneo FIRST PLACE.

j) 2002 Inter-University Programming Contest - Ateneo FIRST PLACE.

k) 2002 Young Web Designers' Awards - Ateneo FIRST PLACE (DLRT Second).

l) 2002 ACM Asia Programming Contest sponsored by IBM - Ateneo 7th Place Internationally; FIRST PLACE in the Philippines. (DLRT - ENGOT).

m) and many, many more examples of DLRT inferiority.

5) With respect to Board exams, Ateneo has the highest 10-year average passing rate in the board exams for Law. In 2003, there were 6 Ateneans in the Top 10, demonstrating Ateneo's excellence once more. How about DLRT? Other than your tie up with FEU in your new MBA-JD program, where are you in the field of Law? Too afraid to go head to head against Ateneo?

LASTLY, here's a simpler approach to finding out where DLRT stands in terms of academics. Ask yourself the question - where do the best and brightest high school students tend to go year in and year out? ANSWER - Generally speaking, the best students choose to go to the Ateneo or U.P. Gosh, even the top HS graduates of LSGH prefer the Ateneo over DLRT. The majority of the honors class of LSGH customarily end up in Ateneo, not DLRT. What better proof do you need?

Another way of determining DLRT's relative academic standing is by asking yourself the question, where do most ACET and UPCAT flunkies go? ANSWER - Where else? DLRT.

REALITY CHECK for you and your kind.

Peace.


Now back to the topic.

Almost invariably, DLSU freshmen who also took the UPCAT and/or the ACET failed at least one of these exams. Moreover, there is no such thing as a person who passed the ACET but failed the DLSU entrance exam. On the contrary, people who passed the DLSU exam but failed the ACET are a dime a dozen.

Apologies for the off topic reply, but the green chap had to be put in his rightful place.

the thread has evolved into another one of those ateneo-lasalle rivalry BS, now tell me, do you really think the school will make a significant difference notwithstanding the quality of individual students? well, i dont think so, if youre someone of any value to this world, it will not matter. on the other hand, if youre just another plain loser whether youre an atenean or lasallite doesnt matter either, ten years after graduating from either school its likely that youll still be a loser. maybe im just sick and tired of these meaningless comparisons, masasabi ko lang P#TA WALA SA SKWELA YAN!

JJ, why is it that you insist on posting that list when it isn't even updated anymore? and why is it that that's the only thing you do? wala ka bang masabi na sarili mo? ganoon ka ba kawalang-kuwentang tao?

~~~

that off-topc list notwithstanding, i think the LaSalle/Ateneo rivalry is something inculturated into the families of the students of the two schools already. i mean, think about it. if your alma mater had a rivalry with another school, would you send your children to that other school? chances are hindi (though there are some exceptions, mostly out of need, not of choice ) so Ateneans tend to send their kids to Ateneo, while Lasalistas tend to send their kids to La Salle. and thus the so-called rivalry gets perpetuated.

then there's the fact that many of the alumni who were students at the height of the rivalry are now in positions of influence - media, politics, commerce - so the rivalry gets transposed into other fields aside from academics and sports.

I think this JJ is also JV. Same idiotic style eh.

I agree.

JV = JJ in atenista.net
dudutt = vinncho = antonn = lildude in GA and Pex

They're one and the same sh!t....este mold.

[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Out of the Blue ]

How about you? What's your kind?

You Ateneans never fail to make me laugh. You insult people, degrade them and utter "peace." Is this what you do to sound like an Atenista? Nakakatawa talaga kayo.

Last question: How old are you?

[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: ASUS ]

oohh!! so!!

--> ella es mia!

oh my siomai!!! ba't ba kayo nag-aaway? JJ posted info from pex, not from him, perhaps just something he found while surfing.. i don't think he has the intention of belittling the school, why attack on his integrity and personality? chill out.
-->smile

peace out!

[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: r0nNIe ]

Don't be such a simpleton. Check out the previous posts of JJ (aka JV in atenista.net; vinncho, dudutt and antonn in PEx; vinncho, dudutt, lildude, etc. in GA.net). They are all one and the same ebak. JJ became a full-fledged Ateneo basher eversince he became one of the many ACET rejects studying in DLRT-U.

[ April 29, 2003: Message edited by: BerdengEbak ]

is that so.. oh well..

That's right! DLSU is a world-class university. In fact, The University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser Univeristy, which are both in Canada, accepts tranferees from DLSU. They also give full credits on courses taken from DLSU.

De La Salle University is abbreviated as DLSU not DLRT. Is that very hard to figure out? bobing! :cool:

It's called NAMECALLING dumb@$$.

Come on! I'm sure even by DLRT standards they do teach you the meaning of the term.

Or maybe I'm setting too high an expectation for you...in which case i forgive you. You have my sympathies.

oh well...there is life after ateneo-la salle..only its more exciting when ur in college and doing things only students do.

tagal na kaming nakapag-away ng la sallista..70's pa..

Just for the information of those who refuse to believe and for those who refuse to bow down:

Board takers mark high performance
SOURCE: (http://www.dlsu.edu.ph/offices/mco/publications/newsletter/volume33/no01/updates.html)

It has been an exciting summer for La Salle’s board takers. Graduates of accounting, chemical engineering (ChE), civil engineering (CE), electronics and communication engineering (ECE), and mechanical engineering (ME) hurdled and topped the 2001 licensure examinations.

The University’s passing percentage is impressive, higher than the national passing percentage. This is the third consecutive time that the University’s mechanical engineering graduates registered a 100 percent passing rate, making it the top school in the 25-59 percent examinees category, followed by ECE graduates with 95 percent, CE graduates with 93 percent, ChE graduates with 93.33 percent, and accounting graduates with 75 percent.

Lasallians also took the top places, besting students from other universities and colleges. Leading the pack of new mechanical engineers are John Thomson Ong (1st), Kriznell Ching Sai (4th), Darwin Cena (6th), Jason Cruz (9th), and Patrick Anthony Sy (10th). Those who made it to the top 20 of the ECE board exams are Richmond Sy (1st), Bryan Lee (4th), Nowen Brian Fernandez (6th), Alvin Young (10th), and Catherin Reas (12th). On the other hand, Reymel Barrientos (2nd), Percival Hernandez (5th), Warren Tagapulot (15th), and Joji Go (16th) grabbed CE’s top 20. CHE graduates Gilbert Ong (1st), Melissa Valdez (2nd), and Sharon David (4th) also recorded a good performance. The outstanding performance of this year’s Lasallian engineering graduates affirms the strong engineering programs of the University. Recently, the Commission on Higher Education (CHED) named DLSU-Manila as a Center of Excellence in the fields of Mechanical Engineering and Electronics and Communications Engineering.

The University’s accounting graduates likewise showed dominance in the field, almost sweeping the top 20 places. Thirteen garnered the following ranks: Jonathan Quianzon (2nd); Josephine Syjuco (3rd); Joseph Chio (4th); Sandra Caroline del Rosario (6th); Melissa Angela Velarde (7th); Jorge Chiong (9th); Merlyn Reselva (11th); Eleanor Tabirao (13th); Kristine Sheila Manalo (15th); Byron Gene Chua (16th); Deonah Marco (17th); Kathryn Ong (19th); and Alihassan Lucman, Jr. (20th).


Correction: DLSU's population is only 10409 unlike your overblown estimate of 16,000+.


This is HYPOCRISY!


Besides La Salle’s superiority on academic competitions where Ateneo and La Salle go head-to-head, it had also managed to bag a multitude of awards left and right. Amidst La Salle’s preference not to publicize the following awards, they will only be enumerated for the purpose of taming the sour graping and insecure ateneans…

PARTIAL LIST OF DLSU STUDENT ACHIEVEMENTS (...just the recent ones...):

"i, like time and change, wait for no one. I push myself to the limits of intellect and body because the challenge is worth the effort. The little steps I take towards my goals give me a better understanding of myself and of God's grand design for me. With all my strengths and limitations, I return to the world what I have. My inspiration comes from the knowledge that forces greater than I are at work to help make my society better."

· Jose Juan Diego Carballo, (MFI) major, Robert John Abada, (AE-BSA), Carlo Angelo Licuanan, , Cecilia Sicangco (AE-BSA), and Mary Adrienne Zalamea (MFI), Champion, 2002 4th FINEX Inter-Collegiate Finance Contest
· TL david, Jan Tiu and Brian Duruin, Champion, 2nd inquirer Inter-Varsity Debating Championships
· Lynn Lennie Tan, Tonee Charmaine Co, Raymond Regulacion, and juniors Jocelyn Tan and Star Scholar Wilfrido Kabiling, Champion, 15th Inter-University Industrial Engineering Quiz Contest held at the University of San Carlos (USC), Cebu City
· Joel L. Panugayan, Over-all Awardee, (GTAA) Globe Telecom Academic Achievement Award
· Aurora Yumol, 1st Prize, "Selyo at Castillo" in the dulaang Pantelebisyon Category, the Annual Carlos Palanca Literary Contest
· Benson Calacday, Darlene Joy Uy, Joseph Hui, Lynn Lennie Ang, and Tonee Charmaine Co., 1st Place, 14th Industrial Engineering Quiz Contest, sponsored by the Philippine Institute of Industrial Engineers, held at the George Dewey Convention Center in Subic, Olongapo City
· Dominic Pascasio, Ginger So, and Henry Yang, Procter and Gamble Student Excellence Awardees
· Bensoy Calacday, Reginald Ruiz, Darlene Uy, Serge Victorino, and Annette Young, 3rd Place, 11th Inter-Collegiate OR Quiz at National Engineering Center, University of the Philippines-Diliman
· Eileen Ang, 1st Honorable Mention, 10th Annual Science and Technology Journalism awards sponsored by the Philippine Press Institute, Philippine Geothermal Inc., and National Press Club
· Elynor Reyes, 2nd Place, Theory of Accounting and Auditing Quiz, San Beda College
· Grant Cheng, Philippine delegate for the 4th Hitachi Young Leaders Initiative, Thailand
· Jocelyn Alvarez, Sixto K. Roxas Award, Student Leadership Award
· Joel Bugay, Mark Go, Joseph Hui, Aileen Lomeda, Cristina So, and Natalie Tan, 2nd Place, 13th Annual Industrial Engineering Inter-University Quiz
· Joel Panugayan and Carlo Paolo Aduana, awardees of the NEXTEL Electronics and Communications Engineering Scholarship
· Johannes Chua, 1st Prize, Future Fiction (Filipino Category) for the entry "Kalinangan", the Annual Carlos Palanca Literary Contest
· Jolina Mallari, Jett Manio, and Glenn Garcia, 1st Place, Jingle-Writing Contest, National Marketing Association Week, Makati City
· Joy Alano, Enrae Carino, Cindy Cheng, Glenn Garcia, Dominic Lorico, Bryan Ocampo, Chester Ocampo, Carissa Ortigas, Chrissie Mata, Neil Solomon, Mark Tiu, and Anna Valdez, Bronze medalists in the Ad and Promo competition with their Sony entry during the National Marketing Week Celebration, Makati City
· Edward David, 1st Place, Poster-Making Contest during the National Marketing Week Celebration, Makati City, spearheaded by the Philippine Marketing Association
· Junior Philippine Economic Society Economic Debaters, 1st Runner-Up in the Junior Philippine Economics Debates
· Kristine Lou Villaluz, Loella Balagtas, Alelei Hilario, one of the Ten Outstanding Marketing Students of the Philippines (TOMAS Awards)
· Kristine Lou Villaluz, Philippine Marketing Association Abenson Departmental Awardee for Excellence in Marketing
· Louella Balagtas, awardee of Philippine Marketing Association - Abenson for Excellence in Marketing
· Ma. Cecilia Datu (lyricist), Allan Feliciano (composer), Cookie Chua (interpreter), "Maging Isang Bayani" entry, top ten finalists, Himig Handog Para sa Bayaning Pilipino, a songwriting competition sponsored by ABS-CBN
· Maribel Bagabaldo, named "Makata ng Taon" for her entry "Panahon ng mga Panahon" in the Gawad Surian sa Tula - Gantimpalang Collantes, 2001 sponsored by the Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino and the Jorge Collantes Foundation, Inc.
· Marie Sheila Tan, Paul Michael Tagle and Michael Jimeno Tuason, 2nd place, National Inventors' Week 2000-Sibol Awards Category sponsored by the Department of Science and Technology and the Technology Application and Promotion Institute
· Mark Alvin Poa, 3rd Place, Inter-School Accounting Quiz Bowl, August 23, 2000
· Oliver Quijano, 2nd Place, Inter-School Accounting Quiz Bowl, September 8, 2000
· Peter Martin Gomez and Aya Navarro, winners in the Category "People's Choice Award for the Arts" for their entry "Hiraya.Com", 3rd Philippine Web Awards
· Peter Martin Gomez and James Albert Subido, Grand Champions, PC-Partner Web Design Competition launched by SM Equicom, Infocom, and Banco de Oro
· Philip Anthony Corro, Philippine Navy ROTC Cadet of the Year 2000 during the 102nd Philippine Navy Anniversary Celebration
· Precious Angel Chua, Prize of Excellence for winning photo titled "Let's Play!" chosen among 4,787 entries submitted from 23 member states of UNESCO in Asia and the Pacific
· Queenie Ying Yee W. Chan, Candy Claire Y. Ong, Tylah S. Yapnayon, Irene Lim and Ronald M. Santiago, 3rd Place, Second Inter-Collegiate Finance Competition, sponsored by Financial Executives, October 16-17, 2000
· Ramon Navarro, Jr., Grand Prize Winner for RP Sports Writing Competition (former Sports Editor of the Lasallian)
· Rebecca Anonuevo, 2nd Prize, (Filipino Essay Category) for the entry "Talinghaga ng Gana" - 3rd Prize, poetry (Filipino Category) for collection of Poems titled "Batubalani at Iba pang mga Tula" at the Annual Carlos Palanca Literary Contest; 3rd place, professional category, "Sala-salabid", sponsored by the Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino and the Jorge Collantes Foundation, Inc.
· Richard Abalos and Raymond Del Rosario, 1st and 2nd Place, respectively, Individual Category of the Inter-University Chemical Engineering Quiz Contest , Adamson University
· Richard Abalos, Raymond del Rosario and Dennis Yu, 1st Place, Team Category of the Inter-University Chemical Engineering Quiz Contest, Adamson University
· Ronelle Mendoza, 1st Place, Business Law and Taxation Category, Inter-School Accounting Quiz Bee at San Beda College
· Terence Jason Gocheco, Chris Roumel Kho and Joel Panugayan, topped the Inter-University Engineering Sciences Quiz Show, Adamson University
· 13 out of the top 20 in May 2001 CPA Board Examinees.
· 1st , 4th,6th,10th and 12th Places in April 2001 Electronics and Communication Engineering Licensure Examination
· 1st, 4th, 6th , 9th and 10th Places in April 2001 Mechanical Engineering Licensure Examination
· 1st, 2nd and 4th Places in May 2001 Chemical Engineering Licensure Examination
· 2nd , 4th , 5th , 15th and 16th Places in May 2001 Civil Engineering Licensure Examination
· 5 Students (CLA -4; COS -1), participated in the 3rd National Young Leaders Congress.
· Business Management Practicum Group (Comfort Table), 3rd Prize, Business Idea Development and Achievement (BIDA) Awards sponsored by the Small and Medium Enterprise Development Council (NCR)
· Business Management Students, 4th place, Annual Business Management Association of the Philippines Quiz Bee
· Junior Entrepreneur Marketing Association (JEMA), One of the Three Outstanding Organizations of the Philippines (TOMAS Awards)
· Bea Salipsip and Jellie Tan, finalists in the Atlantis Productions' "Miss Saigon Theater Design" competition
· Clem Junio and J.M. Junio, College representatives at a series of debates for People's Television Channel 4
· Dayang Magdalena-Yraola, contributor, "Salingpusa and the Art of Collaboration," an addition to Sikat Books Publications' Monograph for Young Minds series
· Footworks, a dance group under the College's Visual Performing Arts Unit, champion, "Jig 5," an interschool dance competition and concert held at the Don Bosco Technical College Football Field
· Yancy Virata and RB Montes ("Palikuran"), Benison Lee and Diane Enriquez ("Tabo Sa Bato"), Donella Brinas, Ronald Vasquez and Gheah Uy ("Balai), and Amado Beltran, Jessica Kung, Cherrie Ann Ong, Darel Uy and Winifred Articona ("A-ku"), most outstanding awards, Philippine School of Interior Design "Tao Po" Exhibit, Urban Bank Plaza, Makati City
· Reian Kagahastian, 1st prize, Philippine National Police's "Men In Blue" uniform design contest
· Danilo T. Yonga, 1st Place, 2nd Regional Accounting Quiz Bowl; 2nd Place, Team Category, Inter-Collegiate Accounting Quiz Bowl; 3rd Place, CEO's Cup: Battle of Accounting Wizards 2001, February 8, 2001, San Pedro College of Business Administration, San Pedro Laguna , 3rd Place, Team Category, Battle of Accounting Wizards
· Karlo Mark Rebosura, 1st Place, Team Category, 1st Interschool Accounting Quiz Bowl
· Mary Ann Dominguez, Leadership Award (Phil. General Hospital)
· Adrian Co, Li Chang Kong, Carolyn Lui, Marc Anthony Polican, Natalie Que, Second Place, Inter-School Trend Micro Network/Internet Programmer Contest
· Jan Arman Figueroa, Donna Zea Rosete, BPI Science Awardees
· Jan Arman Figueroa, Donna Zea Rosete, NUROP Delegates (National Undergraduate Research Opportunities Programme 2000, National University of Singapore, Nanyang Technological University
· Kendrick Cheong, Edgar Dalmasio, First Place, Pinoy Central WAP Game Contest
· Melvin Lim, Jeric Lee, Henrick Andal, Diana Singson, First Place, First Cisco Network Academy Program Radio Quiz Show
· Prashant Srinivasan, One of three Winners, Search for Most Outstanding Foreign Students of the Philippines


Please give us a Certified Market Statistics to validate your claim. Without so, your statement will remain to be a brain-washed Atenean’s comment.

PEACE TO ALL INFERIOR ATENEANS OUT THERE WHO BELONG TO THE INFERIOR ACADEMIC INSTITUTION KNOWN AS ATENEO!

CONGRATS FOR FLUNKING THE LEVEL IV ACCREDITATION!!!

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The stones that people throw at DLSU make it even stronger. For every blow that La Salle receives, a certain area becomes damaged but recuperates on a higher level.

Those that threw the stones concentrated at throwing the stones without thinking on how to improve.

On the other hand, the meek and belittled institution strived on to reach for the stars.

Time passed, this institution silently achieved the star. The star was so bright that it got the attention of those seeking for the same star.

Then, there is this one institution who also wants to pick up one of the same stars. They believed they can also do it.

But factors like arrogance, hypocrisy, and crab mentality somehow fired back at this aspiring institution.

THIS ARROGANT AND HYPOCRITICAL INSTITUTION FLUNKED AT GETTING THE STAR.

A great embarrassment? A testament of definite inferiority? A source of supreme insecurity?

Only the future can tell…

[ June 15, 2003: Message edited by: ATOMIC_BOMB ]

ATOMIC_BOMB,

You did not address the fact that you lied about La Salle's claim of topping the Board exams in 2001, 2002, and 2003. Having a few La Sallians in the Top 10 or Top 20 in 2001 is not the same as topping (i.e., garnering first place) in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

I'll make it easier for you to disprove me. Please name the La Sallians who topped (i.e., got "first place") in 2001, 2002 and 2003 in the following Board exams: Civil Eng., Chemical Eng., ECE, Mechanical Eng., CPA, and Teachers Exam. If you can identify these La Sallians, then you have proven your claim. However, if you can't name them, then your claim is one big hoax just like the rest of your post. I know for a fact that La Sallians did not top many of the said Board exams.

If anything, DLRT's performace in terms of passing averages is quite pathetic. It is actually Xavier University (Ateneo de Cagayan de Oro) that has the best historical performance in Board exams according to the PRC, even besting U.P.

Regarding your tired overexposed (already seen many times in PEx) list of La Sallians who won in competitions, that's not impressive at all. You had to include La Sallians from DLS-Zobel, LSGH, CSB, elementary and high school student, including La Salle professors who won awards, and meaningless competitions. How pathetic and desperate can you get?!?! How about the Lasallian who won in the game of "piko" in Urdaneta Village, I think you forgot to include him in your list.

Bottom line, DLRT is DLRT. As a perennial fallback "choice" school, it will forever attractive inferior students. It's what you call an endless cycle. It has become tradition. It's also in the genes. Inferior families with inferior kids end up in the fallback school. And the garbage recycling goes on and on.

Lastly, regarding your claim that Ateneo failed to get Level 4, just wait a little bit and you will be eating your words. Obviously, it concerns you more than it concerns us. Even with the Lasallian "mole" in CHED in the person of Bro. Dizon, who, incidentally, is terminally ill with colon cancer, there's no stopping the Ateneo, the best private university, from achieving its destined glory.

Peace.

One Big Fight!

PS
I know you're an IE student in DLRT. How come? Can't qualify for the more superior ME program in the Ateneo or the IE program of UP? You poor kid! No wonder you harbor so much hatred for the Ateneo. Sourgraper huhh.

[ June 15, 2003: Message edited by: BerdengEbak ]

For further clarification of level IV accreditation please check the response of Dean Dayrit.

Just for kicks, I took the liberty of forwarding our Dean these homosexual innuendos and here is what he said...

quote:
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> - Ateneo applied and insisted that they be evaluated for possible
> accreditation for level IV category.

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It is CHED that grants level IV accreditation, not PAASCU. CHED accepts the
PAASCU report, and also has its own requirements for those who apply for level
IV accreditation.


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>
> - the head of the accreditation panel is no other than the jesuit Fr.
> Samson.

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No, Fr. Samson did not participate in the Ateneo accreditation, and neither did
any other Ateneo-related personality. In fact, Isagani Cruz from DLSU is a
member of the panel, as well as a number of other well-known people in the
education field. Many schools have faculty members who are part of the PAASCU
system, but there are enough safe guards to check against bias.


quote:
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> - as early as may, the recommendation of the panel was already submitted
> and news leaked out that Ateneo FAILED!

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No. In fact, we received official notice that we gained re-accreditation in May
6. (Note: level 3 re-accreditation and we just applied for level 4 last month.)


quote:
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> - Ateneo knew that they FAILED level IV since last month but they kept
> silent on it and waiting (hoping for reconsideration) for the official
> announcement in July.

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This is a complete fabrication. How can we fail when we just applied last month right after receiving word of our re-accreditation?

Obviously this comment must have come from someone with his/her own bias. Such comments should be ignored.


quote:
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> - REASON FOR ATENEO's FLUNKING:
>
> --- When the panel visited and reviewed Ateneo as a whole, they found some
> very basic flaws in the system/curriculum. The highly regarded ME or
> Management Engineering Course is nothing more than a BUSINESS COURSE with
> some added calculus. Meaning... it's all just cosmetic "garnishing" course
> pretending to be an ENGINEERING COURSE!

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Obviously this comment must have come from someone with his/her own bias. The
discussions of the PAASCU team are confidential so any claim that they know
what transpired must be fabricating things. Such comments should be ignored.


quote:
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>
> --- The BIGGEST BLOW CAME FROM THE COMPUTER SCIENCE COLLEGE. The panel
> found out that the degree did not reach the minimum 60% requirement! The
> course simply lacks even the basic subjects requirement to be considered
> an "excellent" computer college good enough even for a level III
> accreditation. Meaning, the computer college of ateneo is nothing more
> than an STI or AMA!

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Same comment. In fact, since our computer science department is relatively new,
it is still at level 2. And, by the way, so also is the program of DLSU.


quote:
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> --- The panel took notice only of the strong AB COURSES of Ateneo but not
> enough to carry the WHOLE SCHOOL for a level IV accreditation!
>
> --- The panel had no other choice but to FAIL Ateneo for their insistence
> in reaching LEVEL IV!
>
> Well, it is very evident that ATENEO is only good in QUACKING but they
> can't back up what they say!
>
> Kudos to Ateneo for having the gall to apply for a level IV accreditation!
> Well... there's always next time! After all, you waited and waited for 14
> years to have ONE CROWN... I'm very sure, you all have the patience to
> wait THAT LONG! BWAHAHAHA!

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It's obvious that people think that quality education is an extension of the
UAAP basketball championship. People who feel badly about the last season will
seize on any opportunity. While it may be necessary to counter these rumors,
it's obvious that people who have ill intent will go ahead and spread false
rumors and insults.

Between a Dean who has a Phd in Princeton and an Ateneo Reject like you who
would listen to your claims? I dare you to talk to Isagani Cruz your PAASCU accreditation panel rep.

[ June 16, 2003: Message edited by: Mighty_Alumnus ]

Here's an interesting authoritative writeup about the origins of the Ateneo-DLRT rivalry. It shows that there are deep historical, sociological, psychological, even Darwinian and genetic, factors behind this age old rivalry.


ORIGINALLY POSTED BY EAGLE I

Like many of us here, I've witnessed these Ateneo-La Salle pagalingan's since I was a kid, my Dad being a die hard Atenean and veteran of the days when both Ateneo and La Salle were all-boys, exceedingly elitist and battling for the girls as much as basketball and academic bragging rights. My point is I've seen this long enough to know that wherever the truth may lie, there are consistent patterns that have weathered the test of time.

We can claim all the virtues and hurl all the dirt we want, but at the end of the day we Ateneans and La Sallites alike have not come closer to any kind of truth that both our camps can accept. When we argue about patterns of vice and virtue pertaining to specific institutions and its alumni, we are basically arguing about sociological realities. So why not put aside pride and prejudice and look at the debate from a more sociologically enlightening perspective.

Surely we all can agree that underneath the patterns in the Filipino inteligentsia's social discourse through our father's and grandfather's generations, lies the obstinate truth -- or at least something much closer to it than all the crap we've been exchanging.

Consider: La Salle's (and everybody else's) #1 diatribe vs. Arreneow has always been our ARROGANCE. Panahon pa ng Lolo ko -- mayabang daw tayong mga Atenista. Surely there are scores of Ateneans, past and present who in their lives excellently and humbly led represent the highest ideals of AMDG and the Ateneo. But by and large, I would have to agree with the criticism -- we Ateneans have a Yabang about us.

The question is -- from a sociological perspective, what might we conclude from this phenomenon that has translated across generations and political, social and economic highs and lows? That: for better or worse, we Ateneans are mayabang because meron tayong pinagyayabang. Here in the US, the students of the Ivy League aren't exactly singled out for their humility -- these people who count among their ranks men and women who run the world's biggest politcal and economic system, who run the Fortune 500 -- they know their worth and they're not afraid to show it. Among these Ivy Leaguers, the folks from Harvard and Yale have long been known to have the most yabang. KASI MAY PINAGYAYABANG. The logic is not to justify yabang, not to say whether it is right or wrong to be arrogant -- it is to UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE AND WHY IT HAS CONTINUED AS IF A HALLOWED TRADITION THROUGH THE YEARS.

The logic makes even more sense when conisdered in light of what in turn Ateneans (and everybody else) has to say all these years about La Sallites. Forgive me, but as sure and as long as Ateneans have been scorned for their arrogance, La Salle has in the same measure been ridiculed for one and the same thing: To quote the vernacular -- BOBO, BOBO, BO-BO.

As with humble Ateneans, surely there have been smart La Sallites -- but again from a socio-historical context, if you listened to what people have had to say about La Salle all along, the social discourse inevitably refers to DLSU's tradition of being second-rate. So the folklore goes: If you have money but no conception of your future, or perhaps neither the brains nor the chutzpah (arrogance some would say) to dream and do something great -- welcome to La Salle! It sounds so familiar today, but it is the same story that has been told and never it seems to be untold given among other embarrassing feats, the Hall of fame status of such model La Sallites as Limpot, Cardel et al.

This dual sociology -- Yabang ng mga Atenista and bobo ng mga La Salista -- has so dominated our discourse that people from both sides have formed a new sociology just to deal with it. These sociological reactions can be observed separately, but they are natural and quite logical extensions of the original phenomenon.

For Ateneans, the natural reaction to the generations who have called us arrogant -- has been to be even more arrogant!

Again, the logic makes more sense when considered in La Salle's case. Having suffered from generations of ridicule, La Sallites have responded in the following sociologically observable ways -- again natural extensions of their plight:

1. Be defenisve, contrive and build arguments to prove to the world that we are not BOBO. COMPILE LIST OF ALUMNI that made it to prove that we are not bobo (refer to list above). HOLD onto Asiaweek surveys even when Asiaweek itself has dissed it....

2. Live as apologists with a full compliment of apologies (with apologies to PLato, who invented the original literary form). Of which this Fried Green Thing is an outcrop. His language, reasoning and motivation is that of an apologist, which again is no bad thing. To "apologize" in its classic sense is to reason to explain. And that is what La Salle's apologist culture tries to do to counter its reputation for kabobohan. Thus witness the fantastic arguments extolling the Christian Brother's anti-elitist maka-masa stand and using it as a rationale -- indeed as an apology for its second-rate standards, its lack of academic integrity viz- basketball players, etc.

Following the logic and evidence of sociological reactionism that we have witnessed from La Salle through the years, are we then any bit surprised at the idea being pushed about a La Salle Secretariat, a PR machinery to counter the dirt being thrown and spat out of the LRT at La Salle's way. I, at least am not surprised.

And as Ateneans, how do we react to all these desperate attempts to drag us down from our hill? Why, we react in true Ateneo form -- with confidence and indeed a healthy dose of arrogance.

Anong pakialam ko kung anong sabihin nitong mga creatures like FGT and Asus -- it's not my job to tend to their insecurities and those of the alma mater they hail, but we all call BOBO.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JJ:
[B]From Pex:



DLSU-Manila:
1. Finex Finance Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-2nd)
2. Inquirer Debate Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-2nd)
3. Industrial Engineering Inter-Collegiate (Ateneo-absent)
4. Electronics & Communications Eng'g Inter-Collegiate
(Ateneo-2nd)

Sheesh, talk about not painting the real picture. Ateneo CLEARLY is beyond La Salle in competitive debating. What this list doesn't show is that Ateneo has been the title-holder in the National Debate Championship for the past four years. Ateneo has won the Asian Championships (that's right, the entire Asian region, from South to East) three times. La Salle never even made it to the finals of any Asian Championship. In the past two years, Ateneo won back-to-back titles in the same tournament. The only university to do so. Ateneo produced the first Asian team to reach the Final Four of the Australasian CHampionships. We also became the first Asian institution to reach the FInals of the highly competitive Oxford Intervarsities in the UK. The list goes on and on...

Had UP been put up earlier, there wouldn't be an Ateneo-Lasalle rivalry.

*laughs*

Some things never change.

hahaha! ang saya talaga magbasa ng forums na may lasallistang galit na galit. hahaha!!!

reason where the "feud" started from the pride of the students.

I'm laughing my guts out!

The topic starter just wanted to know how the rivalry started, and here we are playing it!

Before we even find the cause of the whole rivalry, we need to know what caused this new one...

I guess it started when someone (was it JJ or those other names he used in other forums) posted those statistics. That was uncalled for. We just want to know why we are considered rivals, then you go saying: Ah basta mas magaling kami.

I guess that's it. Plain insecurity.

And when you go win something you shout it out so loud that even Aparri and Jolo would know.

We don't want to know which one is the better school, because it would always be a matter of perspective. For you, it's DLSU (no need to call it DLRT, my friends). For me, it's ADMU. What we want to know is why we are even marked as rivals. My Lasallista friends and I joke about this rivalry thing all the time (come to think of it, they exhibit a sense of insecurity, too. Kapag nagkapikunan, they always say things like: At least wala kami sa bundok or Fourteen years or even Katipunero).

Look at the UAAP. Kapag tayo natalo, quiet lang, walk out, and keep our heads up. Noong nag-champion tayo, all we hear is: First time mo? Wow, sourgraping.

Guess that's the whole cause. Wag naman pong insecure. Ang immature kasi, eh.

really now, in between the buttons,
it's created by the marketing genuises of the ateneo and de la salle...
and what a great marketing warfare it has been, and will forever be!

keith

oo nga, nakakahiya naman yung ibang Ateneans, di maayos na binabasa ang mga posts, salita lang ng salita. nakakahiya naman, parang hindi Atenean ang breeding. [tsk... tsk... tsk...]

cyberblue, hindi ka atenista. kahit kailan di ka naging atenista. huwag mo nang bilugin mga ulo namin rito.

I originally posted this in PEx. Hope this helps:

You see, the Ateneo and La Salle were not originally rivals. The Ateneo was around since 1859, and La Salle was only founded in 1911. In the late 1910s/early 1920s (BEFORE the NCAA was founded), there was one core rivalry that was starting to emerge in terms of basketball: Ateneo de Manila and UP. The Ateneo squad was already famed for its success in basketball, winning in local leagues. On occasion, the UP squad would troop from Padre Faura to visit the Ateneo campus in Intramuros for a game or two.

Boys being boys, these games started getting pretty heated. The Jesuits realized that there was a need to organize the crowd to rally the team. Hence, organized cheering in the Philippines was introduced by the Ateneo de Manila which had the first cheering squad to help rally its team against UP.

Eventually, the NCAA games began. It took the Ateneo some time to win its first crown. When it did, the Ateneans started noticing something. There were students from another school called La Salle that were starting to cheer like they did: similar pumps, similar yells. These students would also watch Ateneo games even if their school was not playing against the Ateneo.

But the La Salle squad was no threat at all. The Ateneo cagers easily crushed the Lasallites. They were favored to do so in 1939 NCAA finals, when they had one of the best teams. By that time the Ateneo had adopted the Blue Eagle as its mascot. And in the 1939-1940 season, the Lasallites started calling their team the Green Archers. The Archers took the championship game by surprise, edging out the stunned Eagles.

There's a funny story about gloating which may not be true. It says that after the games, the La Sallites trooped to the Ateneo campus in Padre Faura and threw fried chickens at the gate.

In the same year, the Ateneo and La Salle faced each other again, this time, for the football crown. La Salle was the favored team to win in football. This time, however, the Ateneans took the game, leaving the La Salle booters scoreless.

The following year, the crowds started to expect a heated season between the Ateneo and La Salle. That didn't materialize. In one game, the Ateneans pointed out that La Salle had fielded an ineligible player. This caused the Archers to be disqualified for the season, and therefore be unable to defend their crown. The Archers made an appeal, but the NCAA board (which did not have Anton Montinola, mind you) was firm in its resolution. That struck a nerve, and I don't think the Archers ever forgot that.

At around this point in time, the Ateneo was still the dominant force in collegiate basketball. UP was no longer a basketball rival (and I think it had moved to the UAAP). Nor was La Salle a serious threat. However, San Beda began to emerge as a worthy sporting rival. The Lions were always fierce in their games.

Over the years, perhaps due to socioeconomic factors and whatnot, what rivalry became really storied was that of the Ateneo and La Salle. In all the years that they have faced their other since the NCAA, and now in the UAAP, the Ateneo has beaten La Salle more times in regular games and in championship matches. Collectively, the Ateneo also has more basketball crowns: it is still the one of the winningest schools in the NCAA (although I think Letran has tied our record, I may be wrong), and has 3 UAAP titles already.

A few side stories:

- Ateneo-La Salle games then were similar to the games now. Lots of heckling, lots of teasing, but really, not as much violence as we would like to fancy. At least, not as much violence as there would be after an Ateneo-San Beda or La Salle-Letran match.

- Fr. Raymond Holscher, S.J., once told me of a post-game rumble that happened between the Ateneo and La Salle once. Whose cars got smashed? The Bedans'.

- Both the Ateneans and Lasallites were die-hard in their support for their schools. Both cheered louder than anyone else, and it was often said that you would think that either the Ateneo or La Salle was winning against its opponent even if it was losing by a considerable margin, because the cheering was always loud.

- Sen. Dick Gordon shared with my batchmates that during his time as a member of the Blue Babble Battalion, the Ateneans would not stop cheering even if the lights inside Rizal Coliseum were already turned off.

Saw this story posted on EDSA walk some years ago.

Antagal na ng thread na 'to, but it never fails to bring a grin on my face.

Ateneans have this superiority complex which can be "annoyingly entertaining". They will never give up and will never end their debate (they claim themselves as the best debaters... so?) until they reach and sit on their prized thrones. Let them be the boss. Let them be the managers. Let them be president. Lasallians own the company anyway...

Here's to never ending debates and the Atenean superiority complex.


Let the La Sallites own the companies.

Ateneans rule the universe anyway.

Hear, hear.



Nice. Hehe.

haha. wala sigurong skills. mapera lang?

Haha. Dumbass. Rule the universe? Is that fantasy? Haha.. And it's Lasallians.

Mapera lang? Oh c'mmon... you know the reality...

What's a Lasallian?

Last we checked, there's no such thing. There are only La Sallites.

And yeah. We know reality.

We rule the universe, and reality too.

... the reality being: yes, lasallites own their own businesses, e.g., bookie ng ending sa PBA, UAAP, NCAA, etc. tama ka, malaki nga ang pera diyan.

at saan ba galing yang "lasallian" na yan? basta, "lasallite" pa rin sila.

la sallite! lasalista!

^ oo nga LASALLITES!

^^ the reality? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

*saan ba ksi nanggaling ang rivalry between two great schools sa pinas? ha? ha? and ha? (tamad akong mag back threads eh)

The NCAA.

Our stiffest rival was UP, whose players would come by our Intramuros campus from Padre Faura to play basketball. When the NCAA began, we had already introduced cheerleading to the Philippines, and we were the only ones doing it.

Until one day, we started noticing these guys from a little unknown school (I'm not sure if it was in Nozaleda or already along Taft), whose cheerleaders were cheering the way we were (with strangely similar moves too), and whose students and alumni would watch OUR games even if we weren't playing against them.

That school was La Salle.

There was little rivalry until that fateful day in 1939, when La Salle's basketball team upset one of the strongest Ateneo squads assembled at the time. The urban legend goes that after that game, since we already had the monicker "Blue Eagles," the La Sallites marched over to our campus gates in Padre Faura and chucked fried chickens.

If I remember correctly, in one of the succeeding years, we played against La Salle, and pointed out after we had beaten them that the greenies had fielded an ineligible player, which led to La Salle's disqualification from the tournament, and therefore its inability to defend its basketball title (which went to San Beda).

Then there was the fact that we were both schools for boys. We also called them "bobo" (stupid), and they called us "mayabang."

La Salle wasn't really much competition in the NCAA. We've thrashed them numerous times. When UP left the NCAA, our real basketball rival was San Beda. The Ateneo-La Salle thing got going again in the 70s alongside our rivalry with San Beda (we were rather despised, because we had a pretty strong academic and athletic program). Then we left the NCAA, and joined the UAAP. The Ateneo-La Salle hype started again when La Salle entered the UAAP, and on its second year (if my memory serves me right), we beat them in the UAAP basketball championship.

Good day, everyone (Ateneans and La Sallian lurkers hehe).

Some of you who might have read some of my posts probably know that I'm from the other side of the fence. I came across this thread after googling "la salle ateneo rivalry". As expected, I read some rather "interesting" views from both our schools. While I do agree that La Salle did start this rivalry (with the fried chicken incident), I think that these forms of immaturity like these bashings, these name-callings (DLRT, T*eneo, etc) are really uncalled for. In fact, "uncalled for" is kind of an understatement even.

I know that this is a REAALLY OLD post, but reading posts like these sickens me. What's with all the hatred? What are we trying to prove? Apparently, no one from both sides wants to back down from the other. Hence, the never-ending cycle of immaturity and unsportsmanlike behavior. We say we all came from good institutions that teach us to be men for others and Christian men and women in the service of others. Where are these things now? KJ na ako kung KJ but I think this has to end. All the low-blow bashing, all the name calling that 2nd graders usually do. It is just better if everyone got along pretty well for the sake of sportsmanship.

May we all have a good season 71. Cheers.

whew! what a thread! will it ever be the same without the rivalry?

Our rivalry should never ever be bigger than what our universities truly espouse...

Despite our colors, stereotypes, awards, achievements, we must all remember that we are being molded by our universities--blue or green--to be men and women of God!!! Let us also not forget that we are all Filipinos and that with everything we do, it should be for our country and above all for our God!!!

Let our rivalry continue for it is truly good as it brings out the best in us...but let us not look down on others or bring others down because of their imperfections as we too are not perfect...nor are we ever going to be!

peace!!!