What do you think of the guy?
Me ... I hope he succeeds!!!!
[ 30, 2002: Message edited by: Giorgio ]
Full Version: BAYANI FERNANDO
He's my neighbor! 
Honestly, I think he just means well with the sidewalk-clearing issue. He has no choice but to implement strict rules. I wish he'd cancel color-coding though.
Honestly, I think he just means well with the sidewalk-clearing issue. He has no choice but to implement strict rules. I wish he'd cancel color-coding though.
bayani fernando is actually a better politician than the rest. his plan of eradicating the sidewalk vendors can really help ease the traffic and not only that
the chance of hitting people will be limited.
look at what he did in marikina...it became one of the cleanest in the nation and the there was progress in the economic sector when he became the mayor of that city. you won't see anyone walking without a t-shirt in that place and even the sanitary issuee was addressed.
the chance of hitting people will be limited.
look at what he did in marikina...it became one of the cleanest in the nation and the there was progress in the economic sector when he became the mayor of that city. you won't see anyone walking without a t-shirt in that place and even the sanitary issuee was addressed.
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bayani fernando is actually a better politician than the rest. his plan of eradicating the sidewalk vendors can really help ease the traffic and not only that
the chance of hitting people will be limited.
look at what he did in marikina...it became one of the cleanest in the nation and the there was progress in the economic sector when he became the mayor of that city. you won't see anyone walking without a t-shirt in that place and even the sanitary issuee was addressed.
the chance of hitting people will be limited.
look at what he did in marikina...it became one of the cleanest in the nation and the there was progress in the economic sector when he became the mayor of that city. you won't see anyone walking without a t-shirt in that place and even the sanitary issuee was addressed.
I agree. Marikina has gone a long long way ever since Bayani Fernando became the mayor of this city. And if his tyrant-like policy is the only solution for the ills of our metropolis, so be it! I am sick and tired of all the vendors everywhere who think they own the streets of Metro Manila. :mad:
There is a must for mayors of all the local government to cooperate to ensure the success of Fernando's policy.
maybe we need more politicians like him..i think what the Philippines needs is a ruler with an iron fist kase Filipinos are stubborn kase.
i don't think Bayani's a man of an iron fist. i think he just takes the policies that either he or legislation creates, and then implements them immediately and completely. that's not iron-fist tactics, that's law enforcement in the truest sense of the term.
and yes, he's planning on abolishing the traffic scheme of the MMDA. it is said that once he has met the general target of reducing traffic obstructions in secondary roads, he'll do away with the scheme na.
here's another interesting idea floating around: select areas of EDSA's two outer lanes will be for the exclusive use of buses: the outermost lane can be used for parking the bus until they have enough passengers, while the second lane will be used for moving buses. this leaves the inner three lanes for the exclusive use of private vehicles and cargo vehicles.
waht do you think about it? magandang idea ba ito?
and yes, he's planning on abolishing the traffic scheme of the MMDA. it is said that once he has met the general target of reducing traffic obstructions in secondary roads, he'll do away with the scheme na.
here's another interesting idea floating around: select areas of EDSA's two outer lanes will be for the exclusive use of buses: the outermost lane can be used for parking the bus until they have enough passengers, while the second lane will be used for moving buses. this leaves the inner three lanes for the exclusive use of private vehicles and cargo vehicles.
waht do you think about it? magandang idea ba ito?
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Originally posted by raggster:
here's another interesting idea floating around: select areas of EDSA's two outer lanes will be for the exclusive use of buses: the outermost lane can be used for parking the bus until they have enough passengers, while the second lane will be used for moving buses. this leaves the inner three lanes for the exclusive use of private vehicles and cargo vehicles.
waht do you think about it? magandang idea ba ito?
here's another interesting idea floating around: select areas of EDSA's two outer lanes will be for the exclusive use of buses: the outermost lane can be used for parking the bus until they have enough passengers, while the second lane will be used for moving buses. this leaves the inner three lanes for the exclusive use of private vehicles and cargo vehicles.
waht do you think about it? magandang idea ba ito?
Sounds good to me!
Kailan kaya babanatan ni Ka Bayani ang mga home along da riles? These are not only eyesores but also safety hazards for both the occupants of the hovels and the train-riding public. For that matter, sana lantakan naman niyang mga vendors sa Ilaya at Carriedo; these are public streets not market places. Ok lang na may color-coding basta libreng mga kalsada natin para ok lang ang biyahe kahit hindi nakakotse. I also hope he gets something done about the garbage problem, because that's an even bigger concern, especially in a congested Metropolis.
hmmm... strange how my opinion has changed for the past couple of weeks...
first off, joescoundrel, are Ilaya and Carriedo national highways? because recently, i learned that Bayani's implementing powers are applicalbe only to national highways such as EDSA, Katipunan-C5, Araneta Ave., and so on. any other type of street is the jurisdiction of the city mayor.
second, though i said earlier that Bayani is simply implementing laws quickly and efficiently, i've also recently learned that what he's implementing is only part of the law. there are various provisions within the law (such as Executive Order 452 of 1997) that guarantee that sidewalk vendors and squatters have a relocation site available when they are removed from wherever they're staying.
so, in effect, Bayani has been selectively applying the law as far as his mandate goes.
first off, joescoundrel, are Ilaya and Carriedo national highways? because recently, i learned that Bayani's implementing powers are applicalbe only to national highways such as EDSA, Katipunan-C5, Araneta Ave., and so on. any other type of street is the jurisdiction of the city mayor.
second, though i said earlier that Bayani is simply implementing laws quickly and efficiently, i've also recently learned that what he's implementing is only part of the law. there are various provisions within the law (such as Executive Order 452 of 1997) that guarantee that sidewalk vendors and squatters have a relocation site available when they are removed from wherever they're staying.
so, in effect, Bayani has been selectively applying the law as far as his mandate goes.
Call me selfish, but I'm willing to crown him Caesar, because ever since he came along, taking EDSA from work to home now takes only half an hour.
not if you're coming from Makati going towards Cubao. it still takes the better part of an hour. bihira yung walang traffic pauwi.
anyway, i know the guy just wants to do his job, and do his job well. palagay ko lang talaga, may sablay na dapat ayusin.
anyway, i know the guy just wants to do his job, and do his job well. palagay ko lang talaga, may sablay na dapat ayusin.
Raggster, although Ilaya and Carriedo aren't national roadways, still, it is patently illegal to expropriate any public thoroughfare for other use without an act of our Congress. Thing is, all I really want is the kind of order that our laws are trying to achieve. I'm not too familiar with the EO that Nat Santiago says allows for vendors on public thoroughfares and even sidewalks. However, I am certain our Civil Code classifies all public thoroughfares (even so-called private roads such as in the villages) and sidewalks as common domain for public use, "beyond the commerce of man." In fact I think the Supreme Court itself already upheld this particular legal provision in a case filed against Baby Asisitio when he was still Caloocan Mayor. Even if there were no such laws, common sense would dictate that sidewalks are meant to be traversed by pedestrian traffic, while streets and roads are meant for vehicular traffic. Anybody who has ever had to struggle through Balintawak-EDSA, Redemptorist Road at Baclaran, Pasay Rotonda-Taft, or even Ilaya and Carriedo, will tell you that those specific purposes for which the sidewalks and streets are made no longer apply mainly because of the vendors who have unilaterally appropriated the sidewalks and thoroughfares for their own use. They may just be trying to earn a living, but they are also breaking the law. If we allow them to make a living while breaking the law, we may as well allow kidnappers and thieves the same privilege. Ganoon na din kasi iyon kapag tinimbang natin, para natin sinasabing kapag hanap-buhay ang dahilan, kahit labagin natin ang batas pwede. Mahirap ang trabaho ni Ka Bayani, pero isa ako sa mga saludo sa kanya dahil sinusubukan niyang gampanan ang tungkulin niya, hindi kagaya nung mga nauna, mga bobo na nga wala pang mga bayag.
first of all, EO 452 simply says that vendors who are forced off the sidewalk (a perfectly legal procedure), they must first be given an alternative site to tranfer their businesses. yun lang.
second, you seem to be misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm not saying that the sidewalk vendors should be left alone; i'm saying that the law should be enforced to its fullest extent, including providing these displaced vendors with a place to work. agree naman tayong lahat na bawal talagang magbenta sa eskinita eh.
third, i'm simply clarifying the extent of Bayani's powers. hanggang major roads and national highways lang talaga ang puwede niyang pakialaman. yung sidestreets, like Quiapo, for example, sa mayor na iyon. and the mayors naman have been following suit - using Bayani as their convenient scapegoat kapag may protesta (which he doesn't mind naman - another admirable aspect of the man, he certainly doesn't care much for politics).
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but on another matter, why is it that only this particular law is enforced? we have a Clean Air Act, why isn't the MMDA doing anything visible about smoke belchers plying the highways and roads? can't it coordinate with LTO and the DOTC to implement stricter vehicle registration standards by using emissions testing? kung tutuusin nga, mas malaking health hazard ang smoke belchers kaysa sa mga street vendor eh...
second, you seem to be misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm not saying that the sidewalk vendors should be left alone; i'm saying that the law should be enforced to its fullest extent, including providing these displaced vendors with a place to work. agree naman tayong lahat na bawal talagang magbenta sa eskinita eh.
third, i'm simply clarifying the extent of Bayani's powers. hanggang major roads and national highways lang talaga ang puwede niyang pakialaman. yung sidestreets, like Quiapo, for example, sa mayor na iyon. and the mayors naman have been following suit - using Bayani as their convenient scapegoat kapag may protesta (which he doesn't mind naman - another admirable aspect of the man, he certainly doesn't care much for politics).
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but on another matter, why is it that only this particular law is enforced? we have a Clean Air Act, why isn't the MMDA doing anything visible about smoke belchers plying the highways and roads? can't it coordinate with LTO and the DOTC to implement stricter vehicle registration standards by using emissions testing? kung tutuusin nga, mas malaking health hazard ang smoke belchers kaysa sa mga street vendor eh...
first of all, EO 452 simply says that vendors who are forced off the sidewalk (a perfectly legal procedure), they must first be given an alternative site to tranfer their businesses. yun lang.
This EO stinks. It seems to tell me that the government is responsible for making sure that there is a legal alternative for lawbreakers so they will not continue to break the law. EH??? Ano yun???
I guess its another law made so somebody gets votes again. But unfortunately, the law is the law and will continue to be the law until someone changes this law.
second, you seem to be misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm not saying that the sidewalk vendors should be left alone; i'm saying that the law should be enforced to its fullest extent, including providing these displaced vendors with a place to work. agree naman tayong lahat na bawal talagang magbenta sa eskinita eh.
And that's what makes the law stink. We do know that sidewalk vending is against the law. And so do these poor "vendors". But the vendors have used their being poor as the reason-for-all-seasons to break the
As much as being rich does not give one the right to be above the law so must being poor not be the reason to break the law. But again, I have to agree that the entire law has to be followed and not just some parts of it that may be convenient at the moment.
third, i'm simply clarifying the extent of Bayani's powers. hanggang major roads and national highways lang talaga ang puwede niyang pakialaman. yung sidestreets, like Quiapo, for example, sa mayor na iyon. and the mayors naman have been following suit - using Bayani as their convenient scapegoat kapag may protesta (which he doesn't mind naman - another admirable aspect of the man, he certainly doesn't care much for politics).
What a bunch of wussies (the Mayors who blame Bayani). This I say to those mayors, if you don't have the balls to take the rap for the implementation of the laws then get out of office because you are just part of the problem and not the solution.
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but on another matter, why is it that only this particular law is enforced? we have a Clean Air Act, why isn't the MMDA doing anything visible about smoke belchers plying the highways and roads? can't it coordinate with LTO and the DOTC to implement stricter vehicle registration standards by using emissions testing? kung tutuusin nga, mas malaking health hazard ang smoke belchers kaysa sa mga street vendor eh...
I think they call it "ningas cogon". This anti-smoke belching campaign has been going on and off and on and off and so on and so forth since I could remember. The problem is that "kung may gusot may lusot" mentality of the Filipino. Every time someone (drivers and transport operators) is cited for breaking these ordinances/laws they seem to find somebody in government to pay-off. Eventually, a lot of the law enforcement personnel get demoralized with what goes on and just "go with the flow".
Maybe what Bayani wants to do is start slowly. Be able to enforce laws one by one so he does not get overwhelmed with all the protests that would crop up should he have enforced everything with equal zeal at the same time. Eventually, he'll get to the anti-smoke belching campaign. Or then again, will he be able to reach that point??
This EO stinks. It seems to tell me that the government is responsible for making sure that there is a legal alternative for lawbreakers so they will not continue to break the law. EH??? Ano yun???
I guess its another law made so somebody gets votes again. But unfortunately, the law is the law and will continue to be the law until someone changes this law.
second, you seem to be misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm not saying that the sidewalk vendors should be left alone; i'm saying that the law should be enforced to its fullest extent, including providing these displaced vendors with a place to work. agree naman tayong lahat na bawal talagang magbenta sa eskinita eh.
And that's what makes the law stink. We do know that sidewalk vending is against the law. And so do these poor "vendors". But the vendors have used their being poor as the reason-for-all-seasons to break the
As much as being rich does not give one the right to be above the law so must being poor not be the reason to break the law. But again, I have to agree that the entire law has to be followed and not just some parts of it that may be convenient at the moment.
third, i'm simply clarifying the extent of Bayani's powers. hanggang major roads and national highways lang talaga ang puwede niyang pakialaman. yung sidestreets, like Quiapo, for example, sa mayor na iyon. and the mayors naman have been following suit - using Bayani as their convenient scapegoat kapag may protesta (which he doesn't mind naman - another admirable aspect of the man, he certainly doesn't care much for politics).
What a bunch of wussies (the Mayors who blame Bayani). This I say to those mayors, if you don't have the balls to take the rap for the implementation of the laws then get out of office because you are just part of the problem and not the solution.
~~~
but on another matter, why is it that only this particular law is enforced? we have a Clean Air Act, why isn't the MMDA doing anything visible about smoke belchers plying the highways and roads? can't it coordinate with LTO and the DOTC to implement stricter vehicle registration standards by using emissions testing? kung tutuusin nga, mas malaking health hazard ang smoke belchers kaysa sa mga street vendor eh...
I think they call it "ningas cogon". This anti-smoke belching campaign has been going on and off and on and off and so on and so forth since I could remember. The problem is that "kung may gusot may lusot" mentality of the Filipino. Every time someone (drivers and transport operators) is cited for breaking these ordinances/laws they seem to find somebody in government to pay-off. Eventually, a lot of the law enforcement personnel get demoralized with what goes on and just "go with the flow".
Maybe what Bayani wants to do is start slowly. Be able to enforce laws one by one so he does not get overwhelmed with all the protests that would crop up should he have enforced everything with equal zeal at the same time. Eventually, he'll get to the anti-smoke belching campaign. Or then again, will he be able to reach that point??
have you been to marikina market? its the cleanest ive seen and its organized. i may not know alot of what the place looked like back then but if you look at it now it is because of Bayani. plus the cooperation of the people of Marikina.
now, if he could only do the same with the whole of metro manila going to the market or commuting might be easier for alot of people. it would probably be hard to accomplish the thing that he did to Marikina but alteast we should start from somewhere.
im sure he means well..
now, if he could only do the same with the whole of metro manila going to the market or commuting might be easier for alot of people. it would probably be hard to accomplish the thing that he did to Marikina but alteast we should start from somewhere.
im sure he means well..
When he manages to control the traffic in Cubao- Aurora, Divisoria- Binondo areas and if he manages to keep the kotong cops in check, I'll believe in him.
he's just a damn good man and everybody can attest to it!!! everyone knows how marikina looks like before BF came in and compare it to how it looks like after BF came into the scene!! how i wish he has a lot of clones to duplicate his works not only in manila but in other provinces and urban places as well.... good luck po!!!
i think BF is doing some good stuff for the country but sometimes compromise is the fastest solution... he should continue to improve the country but not forget to listen to other people's views
Pro-BF ako! kahit hindi ako taga marikina, sana sya na rin sa antipolo noon. masaya ako 4 him, na kinikilala ang mga nagawa nyang matino. sana magtagumpay sya. agree ako sa paraan nya, masyado kasi makulit ang pinoy. walang disiplina.
i live at marikina nad i can say that he is really good..... ang ganda na nang marikina ngayon...traffic din sa marikina dati lalo na sa may bridge sa bayan nang marikina....naayos nya yun...ngayon,ginagawa nya ang mga nagawa nya sa marikina....tulad nang sa traffic..papuntang manila 1 or less thatn an hour na lang ang byahe...di na rin masyadong traffic sa may katipunan....
basta!! i admire him talaga!!
basta!! i admire him talaga!!
if i could ***** a bit, i hope he carpet bombs these sidewalk vendors and violators into the next century.
aside bakit ba ang daming galit sa mga sidewalk vendor? mga Atenista pa man din kayo.
mga Atenista pa man din kayo.
so what if we're ateneans. you don't have to like everybody. that's like saying that all ateneans are saints. get your head out of the gutter. it's a forum. whether tama o mali ang views opinion lang yun. just don't ram your views down others' throats.
for those who travelled north during the christmas holidays, traffic in balintawak was really awful, it took just three hours to get through the cloverleaf all because the sidewalk vendors commandered the streets. now i understand that they have to make a living but not at the expense of others. the government should provide facilities and opportunities for these vendors to sell their wares.
for those who travelled north during the christmas holidays, traffic in balintawak was really awful, it took just three hours to get through the cloverleaf all because the sidewalk vendors commandered the streets. now i understand that they have to make a living but not at the expense of others. the government should provide facilities and opportunities for these vendors to sell their wares.
i do think he means well pero i was really outraged by his suggestion and planned policy to require metro manila residents to flush their biodegradable wastes down their toilets... also i dont understand why he doesn't believe in waste segregation... i think its high time that he think of the implications and repercussions of his "environmental policies"...
Whether you like him or hate him, you have to admit he has guts, not to mention POLITICAL WILL. Bayani is unafraid to do something controversial and popular. If all politicians were like that, I think our government would be run more efficiently and our country would actually have direction.
Take a look at Davao and the colorful and controversial Digong Duterte (right ria?) He has successfully implemented the NO smoking policy and no firecracker policy during new year. Furthermore, criminality and drug addiction are down.
I think Bayani’s doing a good job. No one is above the law, whether they are rich (subdivision gate opening) or poor (sidewalk clearing). I may be personally inconvenienced by his policies, (i.e. no left turn at Edsa) but if it's for the good of the community, then I’m all for it.
I think his recent appointment to the DPWH will help him do his job implementing laws as MMDA chairman. This way, the all too pervasive "red tape" will be eliminated.
Anyway, here's an interesting article from Businessworld:
MANILA, PHILIPPINES | Monday, September 23, 2002
"Roots"
Jose S. Arcilla, S.J.
Dura lex, sed lex
The Latin jurists had the knack of cramming into a few words chunks of the wisdom of the ages. They had the adage, "Dura lex, sed lex." How true! Law is hard, but it is still law. Without law, there can never be any kind of society. We will have instead anarchy, literally from the Greek, lawlessness.
The English "law" is in Latin "regula" (rule) or "norma" (standard); a body of laws is "ius" (right or law), as in "ius civile," which our lawyers know well.
In the early middle ages, St. Isidore of Seville, who died in 640, wrote that a ruler betrays his calling unless he is straight. So, too, unless a rule is just or straight, it is useless. We may disregard it with a clear conscience.
An unjust law is a contradiction in terms. This is different from what can be described as a "tyrannical" government. When Marcos imposed martial law, we submitted to it, whatever the reasons. And when we invoked government help -- for example, police protection against thieves who ransacked our house -- we legitimized and put that government in its proper place, no matter how much we disliked it.
The problem with law is that it is just a guide. It tells us what is wrong or what is right. But it does not give us the moral strength to abide by it. That is why, even our present day legislators can certainly be accused of violating several laws of the land. This occurs when a law is hard. But, as the Latins insisted in those glorious days of the Roman Empire, dura lex, sed lex.
Where do we get the moral strength to obey the law? From our conscience, usually formed, or, as we learn in the school, knowledge that propels us to action. It is the accuser that points a finger at us when we do wrong. Conscience awakens because of our deepest desire -- even if unspoken -- to live well. Often, the dream of the good life masks one's disregard of the law.
Significantly, in colonizing our country, one of the first rules the Spaniards imposed was to open streets "a cordel y regla" (straight and properly measured), because this item of infrastructure promotes the people's "policia" or proper order among people who live as a community.
The rule also specified there should be a "parian" or the site for buying and selling. (Incidentally, the Chinese were obliged to live in several "parians" because they were merchants!). Houses were on corresponding sites for people to live in, the parian was for selling, not the streets.
We all admit that people have the right to earn their keep. But we must never forget that for every right, there corresponds a duty, especially to respect others' rights. Street vendors today clearly do not seem to realize that others have the right to use the streets for what they have been made -- namely, for passing and going undisturbed about one's business.
Before the Spaniards, our ancestors had several words to signify a passage way: "landas," "daan," "lansangan." The phrase "landas na palarac" was a lengthy grassy site worn down through constant use by passersby. Why do we now discard the idea that community life needs spots reserved for passing by?
One of the lessons we should have learned from the Spanish colonial policy was the enrichment of Philippine society through the reorganization of life on space. Drivers of cars should understand what this means. Vehicular traffic stays on the right side of our streets and roads. Imagine what it will be if no one follows this basic reorganization or planned use of space! Classroom space is also organized, the chairs or desks properly arranged to face the teacher's desk -- otherwise, it will be impossible to teach, with each one sitting in any place, or facing any direction.
This, of course, means always toeing the line. This is not easy and can be hard at times, but dura lex, sed lex.
ps. I agree that the decriminalization of squatting and the enactment of a law requiring a relocation site before removing squatters has emboldened these so called "informal settlers" and professional squatting syndicates. These people now think they have more right to the land than the owners!
In the end, I believe it was the selfish interests of our politicians bowing down to the needs of a vote rich informal community in order to perpetuate themselves in power.
Take a look at Davao and the colorful and controversial Digong Duterte (right ria?) He has successfully implemented the NO smoking policy and no firecracker policy during new year. Furthermore, criminality and drug addiction are down.
I think Bayani’s doing a good job. No one is above the law, whether they are rich (subdivision gate opening) or poor (sidewalk clearing). I may be personally inconvenienced by his policies, (i.e. no left turn at Edsa) but if it's for the good of the community, then I’m all for it.
I think his recent appointment to the DPWH will help him do his job implementing laws as MMDA chairman. This way, the all too pervasive "red tape" will be eliminated.
Anyway, here's an interesting article from Businessworld:
MANILA, PHILIPPINES | Monday, September 23, 2002
"Roots"
Jose S. Arcilla, S.J.
Dura lex, sed lex
The Latin jurists had the knack of cramming into a few words chunks of the wisdom of the ages. They had the adage, "Dura lex, sed lex." How true! Law is hard, but it is still law. Without law, there can never be any kind of society. We will have instead anarchy, literally from the Greek, lawlessness.
The English "law" is in Latin "regula" (rule) or "norma" (standard); a body of laws is "ius" (right or law), as in "ius civile," which our lawyers know well.
In the early middle ages, St. Isidore of Seville, who died in 640, wrote that a ruler betrays his calling unless he is straight. So, too, unless a rule is just or straight, it is useless. We may disregard it with a clear conscience.
An unjust law is a contradiction in terms. This is different from what can be described as a "tyrannical" government. When Marcos imposed martial law, we submitted to it, whatever the reasons. And when we invoked government help -- for example, police protection against thieves who ransacked our house -- we legitimized and put that government in its proper place, no matter how much we disliked it.
The problem with law is that it is just a guide. It tells us what is wrong or what is right. But it does not give us the moral strength to abide by it. That is why, even our present day legislators can certainly be accused of violating several laws of the land. This occurs when a law is hard. But, as the Latins insisted in those glorious days of the Roman Empire, dura lex, sed lex.
Where do we get the moral strength to obey the law? From our conscience, usually formed, or, as we learn in the school, knowledge that propels us to action. It is the accuser that points a finger at us when we do wrong. Conscience awakens because of our deepest desire -- even if unspoken -- to live well. Often, the dream of the good life masks one's disregard of the law.
Significantly, in colonizing our country, one of the first rules the Spaniards imposed was to open streets "a cordel y regla" (straight and properly measured), because this item of infrastructure promotes the people's "policia" or proper order among people who live as a community.
The rule also specified there should be a "parian" or the site for buying and selling. (Incidentally, the Chinese were obliged to live in several "parians" because they were merchants!). Houses were on corresponding sites for people to live in, the parian was for selling, not the streets.
We all admit that people have the right to earn their keep. But we must never forget that for every right, there corresponds a duty, especially to respect others' rights. Street vendors today clearly do not seem to realize that others have the right to use the streets for what they have been made -- namely, for passing and going undisturbed about one's business.
Before the Spaniards, our ancestors had several words to signify a passage way: "landas," "daan," "lansangan." The phrase "landas na palarac" was a lengthy grassy site worn down through constant use by passersby. Why do we now discard the idea that community life needs spots reserved for passing by?
One of the lessons we should have learned from the Spanish colonial policy was the enrichment of Philippine society through the reorganization of life on space. Drivers of cars should understand what this means. Vehicular traffic stays on the right side of our streets and roads. Imagine what it will be if no one follows this basic reorganization or planned use of space! Classroom space is also organized, the chairs or desks properly arranged to face the teacher's desk -- otherwise, it will be impossible to teach, with each one sitting in any place, or facing any direction.
This, of course, means always toeing the line. This is not easy and can be hard at times, but dura lex, sed lex.
ps. I agree that the decriminalization of squatting and the enactment of a law requiring a relocation site before removing squatters has emboldened these so called "informal settlers" and professional squatting syndicates. These people now think they have more right to the land than the owners!
In the end, I believe it was the selfish interests of our politicians bowing down to the needs of a vote rich informal community in order to perpetuate themselves in power.
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Originally posted by joescoundrel:
Raggster, although Ilaya and Carriedo aren't national roadways, still, it is patently illegal to expropriate any public thoroughfare for other use without an act of our Congress. Thing is, all I really want is the kind of order that our laws are trying to achieve. I'm not too familiar with the EO that Nat Santiago says allows for vendors on public thoroughfares and even sidewalks. However, I am certain our Civil Code classifies all public thoroughfares (even so-called private roads such as in the villages) and sidewalks as common domain for public use, "beyond the commerce of man." In fact I think the Supreme Court itself already upheld this particular legal provision in a case filed against Baby Asisitio when he was still Caloocan Mayor. Even if there were no such laws, common sense would dictate that sidewalks are meant to be traversed by pedestrian traffic, while streets and roads are meant for vehicular traffic. Anybody who has ever had to struggle through Balintawak-EDSA, Redemptorist Road at Baclaran, Pasay Rotonda-Taft, or even Ilaya and Carriedo, will tell you that those specific purposes for which the sidewalks and streets are made no longer apply mainly because of the vendors who have unilaterally appropriated the sidewalks and thoroughfares for their own use. They may just be trying to earn a living, but they are also breaking the law. If we allow them to make a living while breaking the law, we may as well allow kidnappers and thieves the same privilege. Ganoon na din kasi iyon kapag tinimbang natin, para natin sinasabing kapag hanap-buhay ang dahilan, kahit labagin natin ang batas pwede. Mahirap ang trabaho ni Ka Bayani, pero isa ako sa mga saludo sa kanya dahil sinusubukan niyang gampanan ang tungkulin niya, hindi kagaya nung mga nauna, mga bobo na nga wala pang mga bayag.
Raggster, although Ilaya and Carriedo aren't national roadways, still, it is patently illegal to expropriate any public thoroughfare for other use without an act of our Congress. Thing is, all I really want is the kind of order that our laws are trying to achieve. I'm not too familiar with the EO that Nat Santiago says allows for vendors on public thoroughfares and even sidewalks. However, I am certain our Civil Code classifies all public thoroughfares (even so-called private roads such as in the villages) and sidewalks as common domain for public use, "beyond the commerce of man." In fact I think the Supreme Court itself already upheld this particular legal provision in a case filed against Baby Asisitio when he was still Caloocan Mayor. Even if there were no such laws, common sense would dictate that sidewalks are meant to be traversed by pedestrian traffic, while streets and roads are meant for vehicular traffic. Anybody who has ever had to struggle through Balintawak-EDSA, Redemptorist Road at Baclaran, Pasay Rotonda-Taft, or even Ilaya and Carriedo, will tell you that those specific purposes for which the sidewalks and streets are made no longer apply mainly because of the vendors who have unilaterally appropriated the sidewalks and thoroughfares for their own use. They may just be trying to earn a living, but they are also breaking the law. If we allow them to make a living while breaking the law, we may as well allow kidnappers and thieves the same privilege. Ganoon na din kasi iyon kapag tinimbang natin, para natin sinasabing kapag hanap-buhay ang dahilan, kahit labagin natin ang batas pwede. Mahirap ang trabaho ni Ka Bayani, pero isa ako sa mga saludo sa kanya dahil sinusubukan niyang gampanan ang tungkulin niya, hindi kagaya nung mga nauna, mga bobo na nga wala pang mga bayag.
tama!!
if Bayani is running for president, definitely my vote is for him!!!!
BF Idol!!! Keep up the good work... I think yakang yaka niya ung pagiging heads ng DPWH and MMDA...
i do agree with ghostrider, i admire bayani fernando's guts aka political will... he does what is right and what is according to the law and not just what is popular...
{about mayor duterte, he has the same political will pero at the same time he listens to the clamor of the people... it is true that the no smoking policy has affected davao's economy and he and the city council has been mulling over possible amendments to the policy..}
EO 452 is similar to this other law which mandates that legitimate land owners should provide relocation for qualified squatters before their houses are demolished... it is not simply rewarding law breakers but on the perspective of the poor (the urban poor especially), it is just making things more equal, the primary reason they squat or sell their wares in places which they shouldn't be in is basically due to poverty which for years (or decades) the govt hasnt been able to address properly... sa tingin ko lang, tama lang na bigyan sila ng bagong lugar kung saan sila makakapagtinda ng di nakakasagabal sa ibang tao pero sana naman di lang basta-basta silang bigyan they should be required to pay rent, be able to maintain the cleanliness of the place and things like those...
{about mayor duterte, he has the same political will pero at the same time he listens to the clamor of the people... it is true that the no smoking policy has affected davao's economy and he and the city council has been mulling over possible amendments to the policy..}
EO 452 is similar to this other law which mandates that legitimate land owners should provide relocation for qualified squatters before their houses are demolished... it is not simply rewarding law breakers but on the perspective of the poor (the urban poor especially), it is just making things more equal, the primary reason they squat or sell their wares in places which they shouldn't be in is basically due to poverty which for years (or decades) the govt hasnt been able to address properly... sa tingin ko lang, tama lang na bigyan sila ng bagong lugar kung saan sila makakapagtinda ng di nakakasagabal sa ibang tao pero sana naman di lang basta-basta silang bigyan they should be required to pay rent, be able to maintain the cleanliness of the place and things like those...
da best si BF! siya lang ang taong merong malasakit sa bayan... siya lang sa buong mundo ang tumutupad sa batas... tingnan mo naman ang marikina... walang tatalo...
some one emailed this to me.
marikina dumpsite the new payatas
illegal dumpsite being operated by city government of marikina
http://www.geocities.com/marikinadump
marikina dumpsite the new payatas
illegal dumpsite being operated by city government of marikina
http://www.geocities.com/marikinadump
i think those who are avid fans of BF are blinded. why? because BF's publicity is overglossed. even sharon cuneta builds him up. BF is one of the "Pinoy Tenors."
aaminin ko, magandang tingnan ang kalsada kapag walang sidewalk vendors. pero sa pag-aaral ng geopolitics (politics of space and location), malalaman natin na this move by BF to sanitize Metro Manila and rid the streets of "human cockroaches" ay walang ipinagkaiba sa pagpapatayo noon ni Imelda Marcos ng matataas na pader para matakpan ang mga iskwater dahil bibisita ang mga Amerikano at foreign investors sa Pilipinas.
at habang malinis nga ang kalsada, alam natin na sa mga eskinita, sa mga gilid-gilid, maaaring sa tabi ng bahay mo, kahit nga sa tapat ng ateneo, marumi at marami ang nagugutom dahil walang trabaho.
ang "illegal sidewalk vendors" bilang bahagi ng "underground economy" ng bansa ay hindi naman talaga kumikitil ng negosyo sa bansa -- gusto lang silang i-absorb ng malalaking kumpanya para ang mga ito ang magkamal ng super-tubo.
so please, stop patronizing BF. he should not be treated as a demigod.
aaminin ko, magandang tingnan ang kalsada kapag walang sidewalk vendors. pero sa pag-aaral ng geopolitics (politics of space and location), malalaman natin na this move by BF to sanitize Metro Manila and rid the streets of "human cockroaches" ay walang ipinagkaiba sa pagpapatayo noon ni Imelda Marcos ng matataas na pader para matakpan ang mga iskwater dahil bibisita ang mga Amerikano at foreign investors sa Pilipinas.
at habang malinis nga ang kalsada, alam natin na sa mga eskinita, sa mga gilid-gilid, maaaring sa tabi ng bahay mo, kahit nga sa tapat ng ateneo, marumi at marami ang nagugutom dahil walang trabaho.
ang "illegal sidewalk vendors" bilang bahagi ng "underground economy" ng bansa ay hindi naman talaga kumikitil ng negosyo sa bansa -- gusto lang silang i-absorb ng malalaking kumpanya para ang mga ito ang magkamal ng super-tubo.
so please, stop patronizing BF. he should not be treated as a demigod.
The government has looked into the situation of the urban poor living along the railways and to address such:
1 Pres GMA has approved the creation of Maralitang Tagamasid, a group of social workers tasked to help some out-of-school youth lead productive and socially relevant lives;
2 the relocation and resettlement programs are in full swing. Program beneficiaries along the North Railway have been relocated in Caloocan City, while those living along the South Railway have been offered areas in Tanay, Batangas and Rizal;
3 Pres GMA also ordered the immediate sale of 12 hectares of idle government land to long-time settlers in Taguig.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by joescoundrel:
[B]Kailan kaya babanatan ni Ka Bayani ang mga home along da riles? These are not only eyesores but also safety hazards for both the occupants of the hovels and the train-riding public.
1 Pres GMA has approved the creation of Maralitang Tagamasid, a group of social workers tasked to help some out-of-school youth lead productive and socially relevant lives;
2 the relocation and resettlement programs are in full swing. Program beneficiaries along the North Railway have been relocated in Caloocan City, while those living along the South Railway have been offered areas in Tanay, Batangas and Rizal;
3 Pres GMA also ordered the immediate sale of 12 hectares of idle government land to long-time settlers in Taguig.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by joescoundrel:
[B]Kailan kaya babanatan ni Ka Bayani ang mga home along da riles? These are not only eyesores but also safety hazards for both the occupants of the hovels and the train-riding public.
he's good, but i hate what he did at ortigas centre... it's my hang-out after the strip, and the traffic that goes all one-way makes my P45 10-minute ride from podium to my house turned it into a P65 45-minute ride... trfc na, layo pa ng ikot... paikot-ikot tuloy
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Originally posted by slide26:
he's good, but i hate what he did at ortigas centre... it's my hang-out after the strip, and the traffic that goes all one-way makes my P45 10-minute ride from podium to my house turned it into a P65 45-minute ride... trfc na, layo pa ng ikot... paikot-ikot tuloy
he's good, but i hate what he did at ortigas centre... it's my hang-out after the strip, and the traffic that goes all one-way makes my P45 10-minute ride from podium to my house turned it into a P65 45-minute ride... trfc na, layo pa ng ikot... paikot-ikot tuloy
Well, maybe this is just a trial run again. I must admit, that scheme is very confusing! I had a hard time going to Shangri-La two days ago!
i think mr. bayani fernando is doing a great job. he is really following what is stated in our laws.
CODE
:D :cool: :D
Yes he follows the law, pero hindi lahat.
Example. BF is proposing to set up a dumpsite in quezon province, kahit na may batas sa quezon na nagbabanned sa pagtapon ng basura by non quezon residents. At hindi niya rin sunusunod ang republic act 9003 or the solid waste management law. Pinagbabawal sa batas na bawal ang mga dumpsites. Meron nga siyang illegal dumpsite sa marikina, ilang beses na ngang may closure order mula DENR. Sumusunod ba sya sa batas?
Example. BF is proposing to set up a dumpsite in quezon province, kahit na may batas sa quezon na nagbabanned sa pagtapon ng basura by non quezon residents. At hindi niya rin sunusunod ang republic act 9003 or the solid waste management law. Pinagbabawal sa batas na bawal ang mga dumpsites. Meron nga siyang illegal dumpsite sa marikina, ilang beses na ngang may closure order mula DENR. Sumusunod ba sya sa batas?
Gets me to thinking. Bayani Fernando shook things up seemingly more for the better than anything else, and yet he seems to have done so with plenty of controversy. Fact of the matter is, can anything positive, i.e. cleaning up streets and sidewalks of illegal vendors and structures, be done without, in one way or another, breaking the law or trampling on someone's civil rights? Hindi ko na din kasi makita kung papaano natin maaayos ang 'Pinas ng walang nagugulantang na mga sektor, gaya ng mga nagbebenta at ang iba pang informal sectors ng economy. Bayani Fernando has, without a doubt, made a positive difference for most of the populace of the Metro, but he has also undoubtedly done so by alienating some sectors and causing a public uproar. Ang masasabi ko lang, buti naman at meron pa naman palang opisyal ng gobyerno na hindi natatakot sa public opinion at gumagamit ng sentido komon sa mga problema ng Kamaynilaan.
as i've pointed out in another thread, we're supposed to be a country of laws, not men. if BF wants to help people as a public official, then he has a system of rules to work with. if he doesn't like the system, then he should go to those who can change those rules to allow him better leverage to do his job right.
ang problema, he sometimes lets his best intentions get the better of him, and ends up stepping on more toes (and breaking more laws) than he ought to. kapag ganoon, hindi na yata tama yun.
with the example of the quezon province dumpsite: ang mandate niya, Metro Manila lang. (kaya nga Metro Manila Development Authority" eh.) wala siyang hawak sa Quezon Province. so he has no prerogative to force the issue on making dumpsites there, because he has no authority there.
so even with his sentido komon (which is never common these days) and his well-meaning spirit, mali ang pamamalakad niya in such instances. kapag ganoon, hindi dapat ganito - "Ok lang yan, kasi magaling naman siya eh" - ang posisyon natin. tama kung tama, mali kung mali. call the spade a spade.
[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: raggster ]
ang problema, he sometimes lets his best intentions get the better of him, and ends up stepping on more toes (and breaking more laws) than he ought to. kapag ganoon, hindi na yata tama yun.
with the example of the quezon province dumpsite: ang mandate niya, Metro Manila lang. (kaya nga Metro Manila Development Authority" eh.) wala siyang hawak sa Quezon Province. so he has no prerogative to force the issue on making dumpsites there, because he has no authority there.
so even with his sentido komon (which is never common these days) and his well-meaning spirit, mali ang pamamalakad niya in such instances. kapag ganoon, hindi dapat ganito - "Ok lang yan, kasi magaling naman siya eh" - ang posisyon natin. tama kung tama, mali kung mali. call the spade a spade.
[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: raggster ]
-->ella es mia! there should still be bumps on several areas, specially at intersections
the colorcoding should be removed
this point was sounded out to me,
its great that BF can be tough when it comes to enforcing the laws, but why can't he also be tough in enforcing the laws when its RICH people who have been violating laws?
i think lots of ppl would support his authoritarian antics if he ruffled the feathers of rich and powerful people too.
its great that BF can be tough when it comes to enforcing the laws, but why can't he also be tough in enforcing the laws when its RICH people who have been violating laws?
i think lots of ppl would support his authoritarian antics if he ruffled the feathers of rich and powerful people too.
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Originally posted by tennis_schlager:
this point was sounded out to me,
its great that BF can be tough when it comes to enforcing the laws, but why can't he also be tough in enforcing the laws when its RICH people who have been violating laws?
[B]
this point was sounded out to me,
its great that BF can be tough when it comes to enforcing the laws, but why can't he also be tough in enforcing the laws when its RICH people who have been violating laws?
[B]
in this regard, i think nagkakataon lang na karamihan ng issues na hawak niya - traffic management, solid waste disposal - just so happen to involve the urban poor more than it does the upper classes (ie. sidewalk vendors, squatter colonies living on dumpsites, urban poor living in potential dumpsites, etc.), so he comes off as anti-poor.
but i do remember him ordering certain structures that private subdivisions put up to be demolished, usually yung mga subdivision signs sa labas ng gate that obstructs pedestrian flow, and such. so in that regard, i think he's being fair naman.
but out of curiosity, what particular laws was your friend talking about, [b]schlager?
If bayani fernando did that for marikina, he's probably a very down to earth and practical politician.
I love marikina! the best times of my life were spent around there!
I love marikina! the best times of my life were spent around there!
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Originally posted by raggster:
but i do remember him ordering certain structures that private subdivisions put up to be demolished, usually yung mga subdivision signs sa labas ng gate that obstructs pedestrian flow, and such. so in that regard, i think he's being fair naman.
but out of curiosity, what particular laws was your friend talking about, [b]schlager?[/B]
but i do remember him ordering certain structures that private subdivisions put up to be demolished, usually yung mga subdivision signs sa labas ng gate that obstructs pedestrian flow, and such. so in that regard, i think he's being fair naman.
but out of curiosity, what particular laws was your friend talking about, [b]schlager?[/B]
my friend wasn't talking about any particular laws. it was more of a discussion actually on how BF could get more support form the public.
we were of the mind that what he is doing is quite refreshing: making people follow rules for a change! but in order for him to continue to do his work, he needs public support. and the best way would be to show that he means business even with the Big Fish. There's too much publicity already of him being against the little ppl.
Dismantling obstructions outside subdivisions? That sounds like peanuts to rich people. more like a nuisance to them. the poor guys are claiming loss of income and livelihood. why don't the rich ever have to make a couple of REAL sacrifices?
and so on, and so forth with the rhetoric that works against Mr. BF
Why doesn't he shut down the polluting factories along Pasig River (oops, is that MMDA jurisdiction?)
Transform BF vs. Poor into BF vs. Poor law-breakers and Rich law-breakers, or simply BF vs. law breakers
[ April 29, 2003: Message edited by: tennis_schlager ]
da best! wahoo!
he is the "real" man.. at least we can see that he does his job, eradicating sidewalk vendors..
i just heard from the news this afternoon that spitting on the streets is not allowed anymore.. so that the spreading of sars will be lessened (because we cannot prevent it from spreading) yeah!
i hope that he will make quezon city as beautiful and clean as marikina.. so that we can be proud of something..
i have a question.. everytime somebody does a good deed, somebody always get mad. what's their problem? is it because somebody is getting in their way? most people think of themselves and not the country.. o well.. i'll shut up now.. enough ranting..
he is the "real" man.. at least we can see that he does his job, eradicating sidewalk vendors..
i just heard from the news this afternoon that spitting on the streets is not allowed anymore.. so that the spreading of sars will be lessened (because we cannot prevent it from spreading) yeah!
i hope that he will make quezon city as beautiful and clean as marikina.. so that we can be proud of something..
i have a question.. everytime somebody does a good deed, somebody always get mad. what's their problem? is it because somebody is getting in their way? most people think of themselves and not the country.. o well.. i'll shut up now.. enough ranting..
signs of his true self are coming through. what idiot will force private subdivision owners to open their private roads to the public?
articles regarding bayani fernando http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030204/metro/2...0204.met01.html http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030213/metro/2...0213.met06.html
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
articles regarding bayani fernando http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030204/metro/2...0204.met01.html http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030213/metro/2...0213.met06.html
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
articles regarding bayani fernando http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030204/metro/2...0204.met01.html http://www.tribune.net.ph/20030213/metro/2...0213.met06.html
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
http://www.inq7.net/opi/2002/oct/19/letter_3-1.htm http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr14_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr23_2003 http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/m...bles_apr28_2003 http://www.geocities.com/bukluran/pr9302k2.htm
meron na bang private subdivision na nabuksan ni BF to ease the traffic in the metro? WALA PA. ang kaya nya lang ay yung mga maliliit tulad ng mga sidewalk vendor. eh yung mga mayayaman na nakatira sa mga exclusive subdivision? takot nya lang mademanda.
speaking of demanda. may kaso yan si bf sa ombudsman, over bidding at malversation of public funds sa mga infra projects sa bayan nya. my gosh yan ba ang pupuksa sa corruption sa DPWH, eh may dungis din pala siya.
speaking of demanda. may kaso yan si bf sa ombudsman, over bidding at malversation of public funds sa mga infra projects sa bayan nya. my gosh yan ba ang pupuksa sa corruption sa DPWH, eh may dungis din pala siya.
meron na bang private subdivision na nabuksan ni BF to ease the traffic in the metro? WALA PA. ang kaya nya lang ay yung mga maliliit tulad ng mga sidewalk vendor. eh yung mga mayayaman na nakatira sa mga exclusive subdivision? takot nya lang mademanda.
speaking of demanda. may kaso yan si bf sa ombudsman, over bidding at malversation of public funds sa mga infra projects sa bayan nya. my gosh yan ba ang pupuksa sa corruption sa DPWH, eh may dungis din pala siya.
speaking of demanda. may kaso yan si bf sa ombudsman, over bidding at malversation of public funds sa mga infra projects sa bayan nya. my gosh yan ba ang pupuksa sa corruption sa DPWH, eh may dungis din pala siya.
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