Full Version: The Fall of Iraq
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Goodbye Saddam! 
tingin ko di pa yan tapos...
tactic lang siguro ni saddam tapos later saka niya gagawin yung plans niya...
hindi naman siguro ganun kabilis i-gigiveup ni saddam yung power niya...if he's still alive...
tactic lang siguro ni saddam tapos later saka niya gagawin yung plans niya...
hindi naman siguro ganun kabilis i-gigiveup ni saddam yung power niya...if he's still alive...
Itinerary of Madman George Bush ...
Next Stop North Korea ...
Then Iran ...
Then Syria ...
Then Libya ...
Then Malaysia (Dr. Mahathir is so pissed with American fund managers playing with the Malaysian currency, I'm pretty sure little boy bush would rush to their aid)
Next Stop North Korea ...
Then Iran ...
Then Syria ...
Then Libya ...
Then Malaysia (Dr. Mahathir is so pissed with American fund managers playing with the Malaysian currency, I'm pretty sure little boy bush would rush to their aid)
i guess the war isn't over yet. But, the U.S. troops are close to ending the evil regime of Saddam.
Saddam must be shaking right now. Some of his people are against him. :eek:
Saddam must be shaking right now. Some of his people are against him. :eek:
:eek: :eek:
or is it?
i'm just wondering since the retaliation being done by the iraqi government is not in level with the attack being done by the us governement. parang mild masyado yung counter-attack ng iraq. don't get me wrong. i'm not saying na they should start unleashing their wmd (that is, if they really possess such). kaya lang i was expecting that they would and now that they're not, parang nakaka-paranoid.
i'm just wondering since the retaliation being done by the iraqi government is not in level with the attack being done by the us governement. parang mild masyado yung counter-attack ng iraq. don't get me wrong. i'm not saying na they should start unleashing their wmd (that is, if they really possess such). kaya lang i was expecting that they would and now that they're not, parang nakaka-paranoid.
Masaya na si Dubya. Pero saan na yung so-called weapons of mass destruction ng Iraq?
[ April 15, 2003: Message edited by: miss d ]
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Originally posted by miss d:
Masaya na si Dubya. Pero saan na yung so-called weapons of mass destruction ng Iraq? :rolleyes:
[ April 15, 2003: Message edited by: miss d ]
Masaya na si Dubya. Pero saan na yung so-called weapons of mass destruction ng Iraq? :rolleyes:
[ April 15, 2003: Message edited by: miss d ]
Baka nasa Syria!
nakakainis na talaga ang america...
first, they give iraq weapons of mass destruction so that they can bomb america's other "enemy" iran...
a few years later, they accuse iraq of producing such weapons meant to destroy the world (what short term memory!)
then, they go in and bomb iraq killing and wounding thousands of civilians in the process...
stupid talaga... STUPID! :mad:
first, they give iraq weapons of mass destruction so that they can bomb america's other "enemy" iran...
a few years later, they accuse iraq of producing such weapons meant to destroy the world (what short term memory!)
then, they go in and bomb iraq killing and wounding thousands of civilians in the process...
stupid talaga... STUPID! :mad:
ahaha. ^^
well ganito lang un...
damned if they do and damned if they dont.
anything that america does, it is being countered, criticized, etc...
War on Iraq.
1. Is attacking Iraq justifiable? Saddam Insane? WMD? Oil fields?
2. Even if Iraq has WMD, they won't use it unless they want the whole damn world infuriated at Iraq and that is a no-no. So Iraq will not use WMD even if they are on the verge of losing the war, since if the Yankies can't find any WMD, then they are very much damned.
3. Now that Saddam Insane is losing power. Note: just losing power, there are still fighting going on and more GI Joes would be killed. You see theres looting everywhere, chaos, etc... and the blame goes to the Yanks. First they protest the invasion. Now they are protesting about the peace and order. No one pleases what America has been doing.
4. The Trio. France, germany, russia. They want a UN role in Iraq specifically to be able to meddle also in Iraq. aka. spoils of war. So its like the UN is acting as a medium.
5.... to be continued. pinapaalis na ako sa computer...
well ganito lang un...
damned if they do and damned if they dont.
anything that america does, it is being countered, criticized, etc...
War on Iraq.
1. Is attacking Iraq justifiable? Saddam Insane? WMD? Oil fields?
2. Even if Iraq has WMD, they won't use it unless they want the whole damn world infuriated at Iraq and that is a no-no. So Iraq will not use WMD even if they are on the verge of losing the war, since if the Yankies can't find any WMD, then they are very much damned.
3. Now that Saddam Insane is losing power. Note: just losing power, there are still fighting going on and more GI Joes would be killed. You see theres looting everywhere, chaos, etc... and the blame goes to the Yanks. First they protest the invasion. Now they are protesting about the peace and order. No one pleases what America has been doing.
4. The Trio. France, germany, russia. They want a UN role in Iraq specifically to be able to meddle also in Iraq. aka. spoils of war. So its like the UN is acting as a medium.
5.... to be continued. pinapaalis na ako sa computer...
Fall of Iraq ... Reconstruction ... Enter US companies ... jumpstart the U.S. economy ... Pay for the cost of reconstruction with revenues from Iraqi oil ... for short DAMI NA NAMAN NANAKAWIN ANG AMERICA ... just imagine US na yung nanira, sila pa ang babayaran while ang Iraq, sila na yung sinira, sila pa magbabayad ... galing talaga ng America ... cguro kung walang ibabayad ang Iraq, they'll be stuck with the insane dictator Saddam ... America's brand of democracy and freedom really has a price ... Bush and Rumsfeld the ultimate mercenaries!!!!
[ April 24, 2003: Message edited by: Giorgio ]
[ April 24, 2003: Message edited by: Giorgio ]
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Originally posted by BLUEness:
nakakainis na talaga ang america...
first, they give iraq weapons of mass destruction so that they can bomb america's other "enemy" iran...
a few years later, they accuse iraq of producing such weapons meant to destroy the world (what short term memory!)
then, they go in and bomb iraq killing and wounding thousands of civilians in the process...
stupid talaga... STUPID! :mad:
nakakainis na talaga ang america...
first, they give iraq weapons of mass destruction so that they can bomb america's other "enemy" iran...
a few years later, they accuse iraq of producing such weapons meant to destroy the world (what short term memory!)
then, they go in and bomb iraq killing and wounding thousands of civilians in the process...
stupid talaga... STUPID! :mad:
Okay lang yan!!! As long as U.S. companies rake in tremendous amounts of profits and U.S. citizens enjoy a much better lifestyle than the rest of humanity especially those in the third world, it is worth it for George "The Leech" Bush and Donald "Psycho-Racist" Rumsfeld!!!!
from what i understand, the US only controls roughly 25% of the entire Baghdad. the rest is either still in complete anarchy, or is still fortified by pro-Saddam forces. so yes, Saddam no longer exercises political control over Baghdad in terms of decision-making, but then again, neither do the Americans.
what's sad is that the US forces already occupying Baghdad did nothing to police the citizenry and prevent them from looting the museums and government facilities. for the former, it is a failure of the Pentagon to cash in on its promise to the scientific community to prioritize the protection of those irreplacable cultural artifacts. for the latter, it makes a statement about how much America policy-makers and higher-ups really care about the future government of Iraq: how the hell is the next administration suppoed tio run the country when its national agency facilities have been ransacked? :eek:
already, the true colors of the US in waging this war are coming to fore. while fighting has yet to die down, even before the peace and order situation has stabilized and a new government properly set into action, they're already talking about what AMERICAN companies will win multibillion-dollar reconstruction contracts.
what's sad is that the US forces already occupying Baghdad did nothing to police the citizenry and prevent them from looting the museums and government facilities. for the former, it is a failure of the Pentagon to cash in on its promise to the scientific community to prioritize the protection of those irreplacable cultural artifacts. for the latter, it makes a statement about how much America policy-makers and higher-ups really care about the future government of Iraq: how the hell is the next administration suppoed tio run the country when its national agency facilities have been ransacked? :eek:
already, the true colors of the US in waging this war are coming to fore. while fighting has yet to die down, even before the peace and order situation has stabilized and a new government properly set into action, they're already talking about what AMERICAN companies will win multibillion-dollar reconstruction contracts.
U.S. Forces in Iraq Capture Tariq Aziz
1 hour, 43 minutes ago
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
WASHINGTON - U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) have taken custody of Tariq Aziz, the former deputy prime minister and the most visible Iraqi leader other than Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).
Officials at the Pentagon (news - web sites) and at Central Command headquarters in Qatar said Thursday they did not know whether Aziz was captured or whether he turned himself in.
On the U.S. list of the 55 most-wanted members of the former government, Aziz was No. 43, the eight of spades in the military's card deck of top Iraqi leaders.
His prominence in the regime could make Aziz a source for the best information yet on the fate of Saddam and his two sons, as well as the location of any hidden weapons of mass destruction.
"We can confirm Tariq Aziz is now under coalition control," said Central Command spokeswoman Capt. Dani Burrows.
Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Thursday night the arrest of another top Iraq official, in Syria, would be announced shortly.
Graham, at a session of the Council on Foreign Relations, declined to identify the Iraqi, saying only that he held one of the most sensitive positions in the Iraqi government and was arrested in the past 24 hours.
Aziz was often the public face of Iraq when responding to accusations by the United States and United Nations (news - web sites).
He was the only Christian in Saddam's inner circle, most of whom were Sunni Muslims like Saddam. He served as foreign minister during the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) and was a frequent spokesman at that time.
Aziz last appeared in public March 19, when he held a news conference in Baghdad to quash rumors he had fled the Iraqi capital.
"I am carrying my pistol to confirm to you that we are ready to fight the aggressors," Aziz said then. "American soldiers are nothing but mercenaries and they will be defeated."
Although he was one of Saddam's most loyal aides, Aziz, like most non-Tikritis, had virtually no power, U.S. officials have said. That could explain his longevity in Saddam's inner circle — without an independent power base, he posed no threat.
In recent years Aziz did not have the international profile he had in the 1990-91 Gulf crisis when, as Iraqi foreign minister, he was virtually "Mr. Iraq" to the world's media.
Saddam promoted him after the Gulf war to deputy prime minister, forcing him to relinquish the foreign ministry portfolio. Some believe this reshuffle had to do with Saddam's not liking a Cabinet minister to become too well known.
Others point to the fact that Saddam's son Odai did not like Aziz. Odai's newspaper, Babil, often criticized foreign policy. In 1996, Aziz's son Ziad was arrested for corruption in what Baghdad insiders saw as a turf battle between Ziad and Odai, who was equally known for graft.
However, Tariq Aziz retained weight within the government. He was Saddam's deputy on the foreign affairs and media committees, in which positions he interpreted Saddam's policies to the ministers concerned. He also conducted the government's negotiations with the U.N. weapons inspectors.
When Saddam fired Aziz's replacement as foreign minister, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, in 2001, he appointed Aziz as acting foreign minister for four months until Naji Sabri was given the post.
Al-Sahhaf's new post was as Iraq's information minister, which he used during the latest war to denounce the U.S.-led invasion and famously deny that American troops were in Baghdad after they had already captured the capital's international airport.
Born in 1936 near the northern city of Mosul, Aziz studied English literature at Baghdad College of Fine Arts and became a teacher and journalist. He joined the Baath Party in 1957, working closely with Saddam to overthrow British-imposed monarchy.
Aziz changed his name from Mikhail Yuhanna. In Arabic, Tariq Aziz means "glorious past."
He was wounded in a 1980 assassination attempt by an Iranian-backed Islamic fundamentalist group named ad-Dawa Islami, the Islamic Call. Members of the group threw a grenade at him in downtown Baghdad, killing several people. The attack was one of several Saddam blamed on Iran, part of his justification for his expulsion of large numbers of Shiite Muslims and his September 1980 invasion of Iran.
Aziz was instrumental in restoring diplomatic relations with the United States in 1984 after a 17-year break. He had met in 1983 with Donald H. Rumsfeld, then a private envoy from President Reagan and now defense secretary. At the time, the United States backed Iraq as a buffer against Iran's Islamic extremism.
The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Saddam's government for good after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, which led to the Persian Gulf War. Aziz was a frequent spokesman for Saddam during that war, too, contending Iraq's invasion of its smaller neighbor was justified.
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Iraq used terrorism as the reason to invade Iran
The Us used the same reason to invade Iraq.
Pareho silang masama.
1 hour, 43 minutes ago
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
WASHINGTON - U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) have taken custody of Tariq Aziz, the former deputy prime minister and the most visible Iraqi leader other than Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).
Officials at the Pentagon (news - web sites) and at Central Command headquarters in Qatar said Thursday they did not know whether Aziz was captured or whether he turned himself in.
On the U.S. list of the 55 most-wanted members of the former government, Aziz was No. 43, the eight of spades in the military's card deck of top Iraqi leaders.
His prominence in the regime could make Aziz a source for the best information yet on the fate of Saddam and his two sons, as well as the location of any hidden weapons of mass destruction.
"We can confirm Tariq Aziz is now under coalition control," said Central Command spokeswoman Capt. Dani Burrows.
Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Thursday night the arrest of another top Iraq official, in Syria, would be announced shortly.
Graham, at a session of the Council on Foreign Relations, declined to identify the Iraqi, saying only that he held one of the most sensitive positions in the Iraqi government and was arrested in the past 24 hours.
Aziz was often the public face of Iraq when responding to accusations by the United States and United Nations (news - web sites).
He was the only Christian in Saddam's inner circle, most of whom were Sunni Muslims like Saddam. He served as foreign minister during the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) and was a frequent spokesman at that time.
Aziz last appeared in public March 19, when he held a news conference in Baghdad to quash rumors he had fled the Iraqi capital.
"I am carrying my pistol to confirm to you that we are ready to fight the aggressors," Aziz said then. "American soldiers are nothing but mercenaries and they will be defeated."
Although he was one of Saddam's most loyal aides, Aziz, like most non-Tikritis, had virtually no power, U.S. officials have said. That could explain his longevity in Saddam's inner circle — without an independent power base, he posed no threat.
In recent years Aziz did not have the international profile he had in the 1990-91 Gulf crisis when, as Iraqi foreign minister, he was virtually "Mr. Iraq" to the world's media.
Saddam promoted him after the Gulf war to deputy prime minister, forcing him to relinquish the foreign ministry portfolio. Some believe this reshuffle had to do with Saddam's not liking a Cabinet minister to become too well known.
Others point to the fact that Saddam's son Odai did not like Aziz. Odai's newspaper, Babil, often criticized foreign policy. In 1996, Aziz's son Ziad was arrested for corruption in what Baghdad insiders saw as a turf battle between Ziad and Odai, who was equally known for graft.
However, Tariq Aziz retained weight within the government. He was Saddam's deputy on the foreign affairs and media committees, in which positions he interpreted Saddam's policies to the ministers concerned. He also conducted the government's negotiations with the U.N. weapons inspectors.
When Saddam fired Aziz's replacement as foreign minister, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, in 2001, he appointed Aziz as acting foreign minister for four months until Naji Sabri was given the post.
Al-Sahhaf's new post was as Iraq's information minister, which he used during the latest war to denounce the U.S.-led invasion and famously deny that American troops were in Baghdad after they had already captured the capital's international airport.
Born in 1936 near the northern city of Mosul, Aziz studied English literature at Baghdad College of Fine Arts and became a teacher and journalist. He joined the Baath Party in 1957, working closely with Saddam to overthrow British-imposed monarchy.
Aziz changed his name from Mikhail Yuhanna. In Arabic, Tariq Aziz means "glorious past."
He was wounded in a 1980 assassination attempt by an Iranian-backed Islamic fundamentalist group named ad-Dawa Islami, the Islamic Call. Members of the group threw a grenade at him in downtown Baghdad, killing several people. The attack was one of several Saddam blamed on Iran, part of his justification for his expulsion of large numbers of Shiite Muslims and his September 1980 invasion of Iran.
Aziz was instrumental in restoring diplomatic relations with the United States in 1984 after a 17-year break. He had met in 1983 with Donald H. Rumsfeld, then a private envoy from President Reagan and now defense secretary. At the time, the United States backed Iraq as a buffer against Iran's Islamic extremism.
The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Saddam's government for good after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, which led to the Persian Gulf War. Aziz was a frequent spokesman for Saddam during that war, too, contending Iraq's invasion of its smaller neighbor was justified.
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Iraq used terrorism as the reason to invade Iran
The Us used the same reason to invade Iraq.
Pareho silang masama.
well, iraq invaded kuwait.. saddam used terrorism there..
saddam also killed the kurds in the northern region.. terrorism was shown there... :eek:
saddam also killed the kurds in the northern region.. terrorism was shown there... :eek:
oh yeah... Saddam also tried to assassinate the former US President...
Saddam is a very very BAD man. :eek:
Saddam is a very very BAD man. :eek:
buhay pa ba si saddam?
dito na lang cya sa pinas.
baka umasenso pa tayo. lol
dito na lang cya sa pinas.
baka umasenso pa tayo. lol
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