The Ateneo Law Student Council this year (2001) has for its goals better information dissemination of Law School information particularly to the undergrads from loyola.

You can course your inquiries to us through email or post your queris here.

You can also visit our website at www.atenista.net/law (currently not updated)

hi der,

i think you should post this thread in the "college" section, mas maraming participants doon. also, you can try posting this thread in www.pinoyexchange.com, that gets lots of participants. i used to answer queries there.

[ 19, 2001: Message edited by: 8210 ]

What subjects do I need to concentrate on to pass the entrance exam?

tnx!

try this article: http://www.atenista.net/faq-als

The new Ateneo Law Student Council Site is www.ateneolaw.com

email us at inquiries@ateneolaw.com for more info and inquiries!

Hello Ateneolawinfo:

Is the Aquila Legis still alive at the ALS?

I am a voice lost in the wilderness and I have heard so much about it outside of the ALS. Even those at Loyola has heard about it. What is the Aquila Legis? Is it true that Dean Jerry Montemayor, Justice Javellana, the Hon. Dong Puno, the Hon Silvestre Bello and some other luminaries in the Philippine Government then and now are some of its members?

Thank you for your attention.

question: is it really required that i take 2 extra english subjects?

hi!

grabe, i can't sleep!!! i have a corp final exam tomorrow and i'm attending my sister's graduation right after (rushing from rockwell to loyola). i can't attend the grad mass na nga because i can't sleep. i won't wake up in time!

anyway, i took 15 units of english, then an extra lit class. but my other classmates (we took the 15 unit english curriculum) who didn't take an extra english class weren't required to do so. i think certain subjects get credited as lit subjects, like Fil 14 or one of those philo subjects.

anyway, masaya mag undergrad courses after you've gone through classes in the law school. everything seems like chicken feed compared to law school.

sana madali lang corp exam tom!!

ei can you please advise me? should i take english subjects this summer??? please help me. ilang units ba dapat? pde ba kunin sa ibang school iyon? im in ateneo now, incoming senior. can i take the english subject sa province? please help me...

work on ur english vocabulary. try using past SAT reviewers with answer keys.

AteneoLawInfo:

Up to when will I get a reply from my query dated 22 Feb 2002?

Will it be when this site has become covered with cob webs and the walls around are crumbling because of old age?

Please remember that your posting recites that you will reply to any question that anyone might want to seek an answer to.

All I ask is a simple question - is the Aquila Legis still alive? Is it still breathing and making waves even at Rockwell Centre?

Thank you.

[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: ixthys ]

ixthys

Don't get uptight. Someone will eventually answer your question... as long as I'm here, might as well be the one to do it.

Yup, Aquila Legis is still alive and well in Ateneo Law School. To be politically correct, the other frat - Brotherhood of Utopia is also alive and kicking. I'm not in a position to tell you who among the top officials are in the frats... the two groups will fill you in when they try to invite you (assuming you're a guy). It is true, however, that a lot of prominent graduates are members of either one.

About making waves.... depends on how you look at it. Since frats are illegal in Ateneo, they don't really advertise their movements and activities. Puro underground yon...except for the occassional movie premiere.

Don't get upset if people aren't keen in answering your questions. As I have mentioned, frats are illegal in Ateneo. It's better to actually ask someone in person becuase posted messages are prone to misinterpretation.

I hope I answered your question. Please be more patient next time. Believe me, you don't want to argue with lawyers and law students ... masyado kami maraming sinasabi :cool:

are u a member of aquila legis? kala ko legal sa ateneo ang frat? cno ba mga prominent graduates of the said frat?

Nope, I'm not a member of Aquila nor Utopia. However, I do have friends on both sides which is why I try not to take sides.

Frats are illegal in the Ateneo unlike in UP. I think this is mainly because of the Lenny Villa case. One thing to note is that frats do exist and thrive in the Ateneo. Freshmen are made to sign waivers that they won't enter frats but no one really takes this seriously. If a frat member doesn't get into fights the admin doesn'really bother him much. However, there are some talks that when you're a borderline case, being a fratman doesn't help.

About the popular members of Aquila... I think it's better to ask members themselves. To my knowledge, most of those if not all those mentioned by ixthys are members. :cool:

lawko,
thanx 4 ur reply.
by d way anong year ka na sa law? is it an advantage in law school if your undergrad degree is a law related course like pol sci or legal management? :confused:

human flight,

I'm a junior. It does help if your course is lm (my course) coz you take up some of the law subjects. However, the advantage does not last long. You just know what the vague terms mean earlier than everyone else. After about half a sem... or half a month (depending if you really studied in college ), the advantage disappears. Actually, many people have advised us to choose an undergrad course that we really liked or one that was not connected with the law... at least you won't be stuck with only law. From my point of view, this is good advice. One of the things I'm thankful for is the fact that LM has management subjects. At least I know something else aside from statutes and all that stuff. You'll be forced to know the law in law school anyway.

Don't worry if you're not polsci or lm. It won't really matter in the long run. If you really want a nice undergrad course to go with your law, you could try being a CPA. I hear CPA-lawyers are earning a lot! :cool:

[ May 02, 2002: Message edited by: lawko ]

lawko,
actually, im a polsci student.kala ko i have an advantage over other pre-law courses. swerte mo, your pre-law course have other subjects like business. i wonder what would be my profession if i dont pursue a career in law. any pol sci students orpol sci grads out there? pls help me.. :confused:

Mr Lawko,

thank you for reply. you see like you, once upon a time i was a law student with all the trimmings and slime that one faces for four long years until graduation and the bar. i have survive all that. i am a lawyer in three (3) jurisdiction and i am willing to take up your challenge for a debate on the matter should you care.

you see i have been living in exile for quite sometime now and i just wanted to find out if life at the law school has undergone a change. central to us who walked the law school campus was the quality of life; not just attend lectures, listen to the corny jokes of the justices and solicitors who were teaching us, nor do case research or "scheppardize" a case. i wanted to find out wheither the last bastion on civilization is still discoverable at "Rockwell" just as it was at "P.Faura."

thank you once again for your reply. and if by grace, you have the boldness to become one of us, then rest asured that you will be joining one of the noblest aggrupation of homo sapience on the face of the earth. additionally, i also asure you will not regret the day that you join our noble cause.

ixthys

I have read some of your credentials from the your other posts. Believe me I have no intention of debating with anyone. I have great respect for those who have passed Ateneo Law and even more for those who are successfully practicing in other jurisdictions. It is one of my dreams to practice in other countries after (if, but hopefully when) I pass Ateneo and hurdle the bar exams.

As I have mentioned, aquila legis lives and prospers. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of people in Ateneo now prioritizes the quality of life. A lot of people I know just want to get high grades and become rich. They just come to school to study and cram but do nothing else. The orgs don't really have that much members. Although I do hear the Aquila had a lot of recruits the past year. Anyway, the Ateneo culture isn't really a friendly one as a whole. Of course that's my opinion and a lot of people would probably curse me for it but hey, it's a free country. I can't compare Ateneo Rockwell and P. Faura coz I don't know anything about the culture of the latter. Anyway, I hope my opinion helps you in determining if the culture has changed.

I do hope I become a member your group soon. I still believe that the legal profession is a noble one. Don't worry, I'm sure I won't regret becoming a lawyer .... I'd probably be thanking all the saints I know by that time

Mr. Lawko:

Thank you for your honest reply. Please accept my apologies for being a little bit rough. it was not intended to be.

It is a pity that the lifestyle at Rockwell has change the lifestyle that was once pervasive at P.Faura. There is a lot that has been lost. But who are we to lament.

The world is in a constant change. As Fr. Dela Costa has it, even change has to change.

I understand that you want to practice abroad. That is a fine ambition. May i just add that to do so, you must first get your self wet in the Philippines. No successful lawyer in the philippines ever had a successful practice in the world outside of the philippines without first doing his primaries in the philippines. besides, a question that you have to decide is - where would you want to practice? in the England? in Europe? in North America? in Australia? among the Commonwealth Countries? my, so many jurisdiction, so little time... if i sound to daunting, please understand, this is the world outside of the philippines.

by grace i was fortunate to practice in the philippines and from there, practice in New York - in all levels of government. that i tell you this, is not to brag nor to be imposing. this character trait is what i got from the loyola campus. it is to share the light that one struggled to obtain.

so go forward, look at those who took up law with material riches as their only goal. donot be like them. for the day their gold turns into lead, their quest is over. even their minds turn dull and blunted. but those who strive to pursue knowledge for its own sake - despite getting fives, day in and day out - go on, this is how law is etched in the hearts of a true advocate - through trials and tribulations. in the end after all these are over, then you can look back and say, yes, i have gone a long way.

[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: ixthys ]

xthys,

No need to apologize. Ateneo has changed but at least we can all agree that the teachers still enjoy seeing fear in the eyes of their students You get used to terrible things in law school so I don't take offense in small things.

Anyway, thank you for answering some of the questions that have been bugging me. I do hope I get to practice in another country... in NY if possible. Yes, I think your advice is sound... and it comes from experience. I'll try to make my mark here first and then think about other jurisdictions.

Thank you for your advice. Rest assured I will try my best not to be too concerned with material riches. I still believe law is a noble profession and I will at least try to do my share in keeping it that way.
:cool:

It's nice to see two generations of lawyers interacting. If I may add, I am not from the Padre Faura nor from the Rockwell era. I am from the dela Costa years. Perhaps, the culture in those three eras are slightly different (I don't know, I only know my how it was during my time), but I believe that there is something common among the three generations: Ateneo's pursuit of excellence.

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: the Boss ]

What do you guys think if Ateneo were to offer a dual Llb/MBA degree program?

I think that while Ateneo's JD program is one of the best in the country, there is still a lot of room for improvement for the MBA program.

Also, it might be a bit difficult for a Philippine university to offer a joint JD/MBA or LL B/MBA program, unlike in the States. A JD in RP is 4 years, a JD in US is 3 years. So a joint JD/MBA in the States is 4 years. A joint JD/MBA in RP would probably last for 5-6 years! Also, (and the Boss would probably disagree with me on this) the practice of law is becoming more and more specialized so a lawyer really has to spend his time specializing on a particular field, say, litigation or tax, to be a "specialist". Having an MBA degree, I think, will not help one become a better lawyer.

I'm not qualified to comment on this issue on the side of a business man. Maybe you should ask victory_fils.

The biggest hindrance to a joint JD/MBA program is the way the Philippine law curriculum and the Bar exams are structured.

In the US, most of the required subjects are done in first year. The rest are all electives. And that's because there are less required subjects. (Courses such as Negotiable Instruments, Sales and Labor are, I believe, treated as electives in the US, but are major bar subjects in the Philippines.) Thus, business courses (such as Finance and Mergers and Acquisitions) may be credited towards your JD degree. Consequently, JD/MBA programs in the US typically take a shorter period to finish than JD and MBA programs taken separately.

In the Philippines, most courses offered in law school, from first to fourth year, are required for the bar. There is room for electives (business courses may be treated as electives and credited towards the law degree) but if you want to be prepared for actual practice, you'd want good law electives. Thus, if we are to consider creating a joint program, I find it difficult to imagine how the law curriculum could be touched. If the law curriculum would not be touched, can the MBA part be shortened in any way? Will the business school credit some law courses (such as corporations, tax, partnership, corporate practice, sales, and other commercial law courses) towards the MBA? That's an open question. Assuming that this is possible, will the business courses component of the program not suffer?

But even if we are to assume that there is a way to come up with a curriculum, I would think that the MBA load would distract a JD candidate from his bar preparation.

The idea of a JD/MBA in the Philippines has been previously explored. This is all based on hearsay, but De La Salle, I believe, explored the possibility with Arellano University. It didn't work. Based on what I heard, the De La Salle Brothers found it more relevant to their mission to put up a medical school. Wise decision on their part. It's hard to imagine how De La Salle, or any newcomer for that matter, could compete against Ateneo in law.

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: the Boss ]

Hey there!

Well, I do agree with you in some ways. I agree that law is becoming more specialized and that lawyers have to concentrate on particular areas.

Also, not all lawyers need an understanding of business principles. If you want to go into non-business-related law areas, like immigration law, criminal law (although you might also need to understand numbers in dealing with business fraud), contitutional law, among others, I would tend to find it hard to see how an MBA or a business undergrad degree would be indispensably helpful.

But if you wanna be a corporate lawyer, don't you need to understand your clients' business to give proper advice and to structure transactions in accordance with your client's intentions and interests? Don't you also need to understand the figures to advise on tax matters? I think, there is a reason behind why CPA/lawyers are highly valued in big law and consulting firms. Thus, while I do agree that lawyers need to concentrate on a particular area, I am inclined to believe that concentrating on business law areas may have to include understanding the business side of deals.

Hope I made sense there.

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: the Boss ]

Hi!

excellent insights. actually, I have one last thing to point out.

X corporation is thinking of acquiring Y corporation. It wonders if it will do an asset-only purchase (all or substantially all of Y corp's asset) or a share purchase.

Logically, it would acquire the services of SyCip or Castillo to advise it of the legal risks -- e.g. the advantages of a share/asset purchase (being able to take advantage of a government franchise, risks on compliance with bulk sales law, etc) the legal risks involved (should it comply with the CBA with employees of Y corp, does it have to hire all the employees, does it have to pay separation pay, does it acquire the liabilities of Y corp)

Also, X corp would probably hire Accenture or SGV to advice it of the business risks, e.g., should it acquire or should it develop by itself? should it borrow? what is the rate of return of such an investment? would it be good to do the acquisition at this point in time?

Any replies kaya from businessmen? We've decided at least that a JD/MBA isn't an advantage for all lawyers. Is the knowledge of law an automatic advantage for businessmen? Apart from the sindak factor that you're dealing with an attorney?

I am not a businessman. But here are my thoughts. Hope you don't mind.

In the scenario you've given, I guess, it's pretty obvious what the story is driving at: that the business aspect of the deal will be taken care of by SGV. I don't think law firm lawyers, even those who hold JD/MBAs, should be arrogant enough to say they can do everything by themselves. If you're a law firm lawyer, your expertise, despite your JD/MBA, is obviously not in business consulting.

But assuming that the lawyer in the situation described can do away with understanding the deal, I suggest you look at other considerations. Do you expect Accenture to be around in all your deals, all your transactions and all your cases? In the first place, do you expect to be a big law firm lawyer, and not later on move to a corporation or even Accenture, all your life? Assuming that SyCip or Castillo are such great places to work and you'd want to retire as a senior partner, would you, in any point in your career, willingly and blindly rely on Arthur Andersen's or Ernst & Young's advice without at least attempting to understand what they're saying?

The issue, I believe, is a general issue: Would an MBA help a lawyer in his practice? We must take it in general terms. Of course, we can go into specifics. But if we do that, you'd have as much different answers as the number of lawyers in the world. I am 101% sure that there would be enough lawyers out there who could say and argue that they did not, do not and will never, need business knowledge in their practice.

JD/MBA is this the way to go?

During the latter part of the 1970s my brother who was working as one of the lawyers in Pantranco was asked to take an MBA course with the view of infusing in him some business sense. He took the offer bearing in mind the mantra that my uncle [he was vice-president of Uni-Lever] often quoted - "your advise is too legalistic; why not coach the same in business terms?"
So he enrolled and attended his classes. Lo and behold as he sat in class, his classmates were mostly all fresh graduates from undergraduate school. they were all mouthing theories and graphs from textbooks that they "memorized" from previous settings. They have little understanding on how business respond to the demands of the legal system and how the legal system vis-a-vis respond to the market and business activities of a locality. After two weeks sitting in the classroom and hearing all these parodies, my brother gave up. He said, you guys with MBA, why don't you shove all these balonies at your butt? There isn't much to learn from these than what I have learned in my law practice! Guess what, not long afterwards, he became the Vice-President Legal of Pantranco and PNB. Lesson: you donot need MBA to get to the top; what you need is to use your brain!

[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: ixthys ]

to everybody,

maglalagay ba ng application form online ang Ateneo Law School? if yes, what site?

if no, what are the necessary requirements to obtain a copy?

what are the requirements aside from the application form to be able to take the exam? (transcript, picture etc..)

please be specific. thanks in advance!

To get an application form, bring P1,200. That's ALL you need.

Then you have to submit it with your requirements like picture, transcript, etc. You will get the list of requirements along with your application form.

No application form available over the net, you get it here in the Rockwell campus.

thanks a lot!

Just saw this post today. My thoughts on a JD/MBA based on the experiences of my classmates who are co-enrolled in both JD and MBA programs...

An MBA is of little value to those who intend to remain career lawyers for the rest of their working lives, even in corporate law. Almost all the tools you need to know for a law practice in any field can be learned in law school. Why do people opt for a JD/MBA (or why do existing JD holders pursue an MBA degree?)? Some common answers are:

1. Lawyers want to take business subjects like finance or marketing just for the heck of it.

2. Lawyers want to switch completely into a business career (thereby leaving the legal sector).

3. Lawyers want to switch into business careers where their knowledge of law will give them an advantage.
- This is particularly true in areas such as i-bank corporate finance, M&A, and restructuring. A law degree is not required to enter these fields. However, the legal complexities in these areas make knowledge of the law very useful. An IPO, for example, can have many legal (ex. tax) implications depending how it is structured.

As for classmates w/ limited or no work experience, it all depends on the MBA program a person chooses. There are many MBA programs around the world where one can study w/ classmates who have extensive prior work experience.

Hi, I am a first year student in another law school. I didn't pass the Ateneo Law entrance last year because I wasn't able to finish the test.

What are my chances to pass ADMU this year considering that I already enrolled in another law school? Do they give everybody an equal chance or my case is another story?

I hope you could help me with this. Thanks in advance.

Yes, I think they give equal chance, as long as you don't say that you are currently enrolled (or have enrolled) in another law school.

So, is it all right not to divulge the fact that i am currently enrolled in another law school? What if they find out, what will the sanctions be? Are there Ateneo law students who are previously enrolled in another law school?

here's my question: how can a law school consistently produce THE MOST CORRUPT lawyers in the country? surely, there MUST be a secret...

AW YEAH!

Banana Q, the secret lies in your own cynical core. How you can disparage an institution with an unfounded and malicious generalization makes it clear to all who possesses the corrupted mind.

Straight from the mouth of an expert in disparaging.

Right on, Kainizares.

how much will it cost if someone wanna get a law education in ateneo?

Around P35K a sem. There are expenses that you pay whatever law school you go to, like around P3,500 for books per sem, P4,000 for photocopying of cases.

Re JD/MBA: I saw an ad in the paper recently about a collaboration between Far Eastern University and De La Salle - can't remember the text exactly but it sounded like they were offering a JD/MBA. Can anyone out there confirm?

An announcement has already been posted in PEX re. this new program.

Here is the announcement. Although I'm not really sure it's gonna be a good program.
* * * * * *

DLSU-GSB and FEU-IL set admission exams for innovative MBA-Law Dual Degree
Program


The De La Salle University Graduate School of Business (DLSU-GSB) and the
Far Eastern University Institute of Law (FEU-IL) have tied up to offer the
country's first post-graduate dual degree program in business and law.
The MBA-JD Dual Degree Program is designed for students who intend to earn
both a Juris Doctor degree (JD) and a Master of Business Administration
(MBA) concurrently.

The admission exam dates are set for April 5, May 10 and 17 at the DLSU
RCBC Campus and for April 12 at the DLSU Taft Campus.

There will be a Briefing Session on Tuesday, April 8, 5:30 p.m. at Room
520, RCBC Campus, 5th Floor, RCBC Tower II, Ayala Avenue, Makati City for
all interested applicants.

For more information on the MBA-JD Dual Degree Program, please call the
RCBC Campus 753-4616, 753-4618 or 753-4611 locals 101 or 107. You may
also e-mail Vice-Dean Pia Manalastas at or Dean Andres Bautista at [
mailto:abaustista@feu.edu.ph ]abautista@feu.edu.ph

aquila legis the best!!!!!!

Question: What is the estimated population of passers that have BA courses as their pre-law course? Does the law school have students coming from courses such as AB Philosophy?

I don't know any precise percentage, but of course there are quite a number of law students who had ABs as their pre-law. Yes, may AB Philo undergrads who are now law students.

hi. i'd like to ask something, for any one who can answer: are there any courses or areas of specialization in local government law?

thanks in advance.

I'm not sure about local govt law, but there is a course on local governance (w/c dwells on the local govt code) at the School of Government. Courses are listed in the following website:

http://www.asg.ateneo.edu/acadprog/courses...s/subjects.html