Bakit talo ang Ateneo Law grads sa UP Law grads sa annual Bar Exams?

ateneo law studes have been asking why since 1994 (UP's been topping the exams beginning this year except when that BCF girl snatched it and during one tie with ateneo-law). their suggested reasons:

1. the UP-law program is a 4-year bar review
2. the supreme court has a bias for UP grads
3. UP grads bribe examiners
4. it doesn't matter as ateneo has a higher passing rate.

from 1991 to 1993 when ateneo topped the exams, UP law studes were asking why, considering that ateneo has never topped the bar two years in a row. their suggested reasons:

1. the ateneo-law program is a 4-year bar review
2. the supreme counrt has a bias for ateneo grads
3. ateneo grads bribe examiners
4. it doesn't matter as UP has a higher passing rate.

[ 07, 2002: Message edited by: mac_bolan00 ]

you can't really compare institutions based on who topped the exam. and this isn't a reason just because we haven't topped it for how many years.

now as to why no atenean has topped it, well
sometimes the more dedicated / intelligent / hardworking /lucky(?) individual happened to have studied in another good law school.

obviously you're refering to the 2001 top-notcher (BS-admu, Llb-UP). look at the bright side of things. the 2nd and 3rd placers were both from ateneo-law but they finished their undergrad programs at UP-Diliman. had they chosen UP-law, it would have been 1-2-3 UP!

If I'm not mistaken, the UP dude who topped that bar graduated from Ateneo College. Had he gone to Ateneo Law, it would have been 1-2-3 Ateneo

If all of them remained with their respective schools, it would have been 1 Ateneo and 2-3 UP. A lot of Ateneans would probably still complain.

I don't know why UP is always on top (at least for the past few years). Personally, I don't think the bar is a good measure of potential. It's like topping a quiz or long test. Even if you're not the smartest, sometimes you get lucky. I believe the better test would be the performance of the person for the last 4-5 years while he was in law school.

"talo" is really subjective. what do you mean by that? just because we haven't been topping it, it doesn't mean that we're deteriorating. FYI, even though UP has been topping it, Ateneo has always had the higher passing rate and the most number of barristers in the top 10 (except in 95). In 1994, Ateneo set the record by putting 8 in the top 10 (#'s 2,5,6,7,8,9,10 [tie]). UP only had 2 (#1 and 4). If that's not a dominating performance, I don't know what is. Tell UP to outdo that. Kung nakukuha nila ang # 1, it's more because of luck and the student's own capabilities, and not because of the school's quality of education.

well last year, UP got the top spot in addition to having the highest passing rate for first-timers. it's the repeaters that dragged down its overall rate.

The differences in scores that separate the first placer and the second placer (except for the last bar)are so small that you'll have to concede that it's pure luck that's involved.

There's really no reason why UP should be capturing the top slot over Ateneo. The students are practically of the same intellectual caliber, the teaching methods are the same, and the resources are, in terms of faculty and materials, just about even. So, there's no real reason for one to dominate the other in the bar exam.

In fact, you can't even say that UP dominates Ateneo because the bar exam results are pretty even. Whereas UP gets the top slot (and the notoriety that goes with it), Ateneo dominates the top 10. It's a pretty even contest.

Ateneo is bound to get a solo number one soon. It's just a question of when. The UP win streak can't go on forever.

you're ok, maverick. however, i don't believe luck has much to do with it. more of hard work.

Weather-weather lang 'yan mga amigo. Kung titignan naman ang mga scores, hindi naman nagkakalayo. Matter of fact, the top-5 placers have been separated only be decimal points for maybe the past 10 years or so now. I can't even remember the last time we had a whole Top 10 getting better than 90%. The scores of the Top 10 in the past 10 years are the scores of average passers from Ateneo and UP as recently as maybe 25 years ago. THAT I believe is the more alarming part. Alam ko pati ang Supreme Court nadidismaya sa mga scores at passing rates mula pa nung 1997, the year of the "Bar Massacre", less than 10% yatang overall passing rate. As for UP's dominance at the top since '94, siguro naman huwag tayong maalarma at sa totoo lang magagaling ang mga nag-topnotcher from UP. Pakagaling na lang tayo sa Ateneo Law. GO ATENEO!

"Dat is caprishus! Hu-wimsical! En compiskatoree! Tantamount to judicial legislay-chon!"

my lawyer-friends from UP-law complain there's hardly any preparation for the bar when they're studying, that's why laggards have a devil of a time during the exams. i ask them "does that set you apart from the other law schools?" and they say "probably not."

in short, they're just as clueless.

I'd just like to disagree with some of Maverick's comments...

"There's really no reason why UP should be capturing the top slot over Ateneo. The students are practically of the same intellectual caliber"
Because of the stringent admissions process, UP law students are generally regarded to be the "the cream of the crop". As much as Ateneans hate to admit it, their law school still accepts students who did not even pass the entrance exam in the first place. A lot of my Atenean friends in Rockwell also concede that majority of the people enrolled in Ateneo failed to pass the UP LAE.

"the teaching methods are the same"
I BEG TO DISAGREE. One of my teachers (who is a faculty member of both UP and Ateneo) admits that Ateneo is more into "spoon-feeding". Also, Ateneo does not have a course similar to UP's OLA internship.

I'd just like to disagree with some of Maverick's comments...

"There's really no reason why UP should be capturing the top slot over Ateneo. The students are practically of the same intellectual caliber"
Because of the stringent admissions process, UP law students are generally regarded to be the "the cream of the crop". As much as Ateneans hate to admit it, their law school still accepts students who did not even pass the entrance exam in the first place. A lot of my Atenean friends in Rockwell also concede that majority of the people enrolled in Ateneo failed to pass the UP LAE.

"the teaching methods are the same"
I BEG TO DISAGREE. One of my teachers (who is a faculty member of both UP and Ateneo) admits that Ateneo is more into "spoon-feeding". Also, Ateneo does not have a course similar to UP's OLA internship.

Don't be surprised if the bar topnotcher 2 years from now is once again a former Atenean who is currently attending UP law. I understand this wunderkind won the law essay writing contest at UP while a freshman. Mac and a whole set of Ateneans know who he is. Quite notorious in a way while at Ateneo.

yah, i know who you're referring to. sparring partner nila victory, rabaddal at ali.

btw, madaming essay-writing contest sa UP. it's one of those stupid stunts designed to make a couple of winners think they're smarter than they really are.

I don't think it's fair to say na "Talo ang Ateneo Law grads sa UP law grads." We just can't base it all on the number one slot. If you look at the passing percentage, Ateneo has consistently ranked first in the past ten years. The passing percentage, I believe, is the best indication of how well a school prepares its graduates for the bar exams. I think it's highly unreliable to base it all on the number one slot, as topnotchers are usually extraordinary individuals who will do well wherever they go. We of course give due credit to UP for producing many first placers but we should be mindful of the fact that there are other factors, such as, passing percentage, to consider in evaluating a school's performance in the bar exams.

hi vincent. ni hao!

aside from topping the bar last year, UP also had the highest passing percentage for first-timers. the repeaters from UP are, well, precisely that: REPEATERS LOL!

few people seem to consider this one fact: UP and ateneo law basically draw material from the same pool: UP and ateneo undergrads with a light smattering of guys from DLSU, UST, UE, FEU, etc.

the topnotcher finished his undergrad at ateneo while the rockwell bets who placed 2nd and 3rd finished their undergrads with distinction at UP.

Kasi nga, UP is the best learning institution, be it law, social sciences, physical sciences, sa med and so on, there is in the Philippines. Yun lang, ganun ka-simple. Huwag na nating i-rationalize pa ung kahinaan ng Ateneo dahil hindi rin nito maja-justify yung result ng bar exam, no matter what we do.

Hello, Chartreuse, I would just like to comment on your comments. Anyway, these are just my two cents worth so I hope you don't mind.

1) Re: admissions process - The original statement made is that the students at both schools are practically of the same intellectual caliber.

The point made about the UP Law admissions process is well taken and may in fact be very true. However, to use this argument to prove the superiority of UP Law students over those of the Ateneo would only be valid if the Ateneo studentry was made up exclusively only of those who did not pass the UP admissions process. If that statement were true, then definitely, the students at UP Law are superior to Ateneo Law. No argument there.

However, experience has shown us that this is not the case. There are people in UP who were accepted at both UP and Ateneo but opted to go to UP. In the same way, there are people in Ateneo who were accepted at both schools but went to Ateneo. What does this point to? Parity.

The people seeking admission to these law schools usually belong to the cream of their undergraduate college classes. Thus, I believe, that there should be a disputable presumption of excellence on each law admittee (regardless of school). The fact that some or most of them can be accepted at either UP or Ateneo means to say that, at least at the onset, they both have the brain power to make it at either institution.

Thus, my statement that the students of both schools have "practically" the same "intellectual caliber."


2) Re: Teaching methods - At the onset, I must confess that I can only comment about the Ateneo teaching methods from a distance and vicariously through the experiences of my friends who went there since I am more familiar with the teaching methods of UP Law being an alumnus of the said institution.

Having said that, what I meant by teaching methods is the reliance of both schools on the so-called modified Socratic method to teach law. I assumed before that the edge of UP was its penchant for teaching the policy and philosophy behind the law until I later learned that the Ateneo professors were doing the same.

I also made this statement in view of the fact, as you pointed out, that some professors teach at both UP and Ateneo. As they say, "a leopard can't change it's spots." Thus, unless a professor radically changes the way he teaches at both schools, then again there must be some amount of parity between the two schools that go into the mix.

As regards the statement on the so-called "spoon-feeding," I have also heard this statement made. The funny thing is nobody could seem to tell me in what acts this consist and why this practice is so abhorrent. From where I stand, as long as the student learns his law properly and is equipped to be a good lawyer, I am not going to question the method of teaching behind his knowledge.

Finally, OLA is indeed a great learning tool and deserves to be copied by other schools (as it is being replicated, e.g., San Sebastian, Arellano, etc.). I myself was enthralled by the experience and learned a lot. I really have no opinion on this but would just like to share that, in the dark years when UP was not enjoying its run at the top of the bar, scapegoats were being sought for the apparent weakness of UP. Know what was one of the scapegoats? OLA.

I would like to close by saying that we should refrain from trumpeting the superiority of one institution over the other. No one institution is inherently greater or superior. Both UP and Ateneo are very good schools and come out with very good graduates. Let's leave it at that. There are greater competitions out there to be won and if the graduates of these schools put the same energy, enthusiasm and competitive drive into these other battles then our country will not be the laggard that it is.

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P.S.: To all those taking the bar this September, regardless of school, may you all meet with success. Nothing will make us happier than a 100% passing percentage for both Ateneo and UP.

Hello!!!!!! Are u ok? Like who??????!!????

astig. contest na pala yung bar. and here i thought it was a test.

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: raggster ]

No need to name names but trust me on this.

To Raggster,

Where have you been, my friend? Were you truly not aware that Filipinos regard the Bar as the Olympics of law schools? Law school graduations are anti-climactic and are akin to an individual country's Olympic trials. Admittedly, this is a very silly way to view what, in essence, is just a means to measure minimum competence to practice law in the Philippines. But over the years, the Bar has come to assume in Filipino minds a meaning and an importance that is far, far disproportionate to the purpose for which it was originally designed. Maybe it's a blunt, short-cut, universally understandable way of figuring out who's smart and who's not in Filipino society, because most Pinoys simply don't have the time, interest, inclination to dig beneath the surface and evaluate substance. Most Pinoys are content with form and titles, because too many have gotten away with superficialities, and with great success. Sadly, our society creates very little incentive for achievements in substance.

first off, not all filipinos are smart. second, many filipinos love to watch competition (more correctly, they like to think they're competing). third, filipinos look up to bar top-notchers for as long as we're a third-world country. things should improve with economic recovery.

Then perhaps it behooves the more discerning and insightful among Filipinos to not buy into and perpetuate this circus. Why even wait for economic recovery to transform attitudes, especially since it doesn't look like the Philippine economy, which is an ongoing saga of fits and starts, will be taking off any time soon?

Bakit talo? Is that some form of condescension? What is our obsession about always at the top of everything? Do we want people to bow down on us because we are numero uno? Puh-leeze!

Every year, two to three bar passers would come from the Ateneo, the rest come from UP, San Beda and others. An Ateneo bar examinee may not clinch the top spot but what the hey, it has more alums in the top 10. Does not that capture the quality of the Ateneo Law School?

Sure UP has a good law school, no doubt about that, but do we relegate the real "study of the law" to that school? Sila lang ba ang mga tunay na tunay na mga abugado all because they went there? How about the other schools? Are the other schools like San Beda and FEU produce second rate legal lemmings? What if our circumstances did not allow us to get into UP? Are we still less of a lawyer because we are not from UP? Some of the brilliant lawyers I know never came from THE UP LAW or Ateneo. They come from Arellano and Ateneo de Davao. Talk about winners of the legal world.

If UP is the quintessential law school, producing lofty, morally upright and noble legal eagles because they do study THE great and noble law, topping the bar examinations year after year, making us nothing but dunderheads, I would rather be a monk.

Don't fall into the trap, Bamboo. Don't validate this misguided mindset by arguing within its terms. Remind yourself that, at bottom, the Bar is just a test to assess whether a erstwhile lawyer has sufficient mastery of the basics to practice law in the Philippines. It is not a pissing contest among law schools and their graduates, even if Pinoy society has chosen to regard it this way.

Maverick your points are well taken. But isn't it a fact that majority of Ateneo law freshmen did not get accepted at UP? This is because UP only gets 160 students more or less, so even though the exam scores of those who were not accepted might be passing, there are simply 160 students who got higher scores. This (along with the interview) is how UP ensures that it gets the cream-of-the-crop among the freshmen batch.

Ateneo, on the other hand, accepts nearly twice the number of students as UP and even admits those who did not pass the exam, if they wish to be reconsidered.

I really do not believe that there is a better law school between UP and Ateneo. These two schools have been considered equals in the recent years. By and large, even the country's best law firms do not have any strong preference for either of the two. The best law firms recruit the top graduates (usually the top 20) of both schools.

But for the purpose of discussion, I do not believe that UP's selectivity -- assuming without admitting that it's true -- is sufficient to prove UP's superiority. On the contrary, it could go the other way around.

Chartreuse's argument presupposes that UP has better students. If that's the case, then, much is expected of UP grads. Better than producing topnothcer, UP should have the highest (or at least, a higher) bar pass rate than Ateneo. It's a simple argument: better students should do better in the bar.

However, despite UP's allegedly "better" students, UP's average bar pass rate for the past ten years is not better than Ateneo's. In fact, there were even year/s when San Beda College (the other good law school) did better than UP. This does not speak well of a school's ability to develop the potential of students who are supposed to be "better," does it?

[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: the Boss ]

from very reliable sources: the topnotcher for the 2002 Bar Exam is from the Ateneo.

if you're getting your info this early, i'll suspect something's fishy. very reliable sources indeed.

don't you guys agree?

Allow me to join the fray.

I can only speak for my batch which took both the UP LAE and the Ateneo Entrance Exams. About 80 ADMU graduates took the UP Entrance Exam that year , and surprisingly, less than 10 were admitted (of whom only 3 enrolled at UP). Sabi namin, teka bakit nagkaganoon? Then, sa Ateneo halos pasok kami lahat. Then we also asked, bakit ganoon din? Did that situation create a rebuttable presumption that, pound for pound, the UP Freshman Batch of that year was superior to the Ateneo Freshies, kasi, UP rejects pasok sa ADMU?

Fast forward five years later, the Numbers 1,2, 4, 8 and 10 bar topnotchers were from the Ateneo! Also on that year, the overall passing percentage for the Ateneo Bar Examinees was a lot higher than that of UP (as it has always been).

What does that tell us about the respective admission policies and procedures of the law schools? For every other year that preceded or followed our batch, I'm pretty sure the stories would be different.

Ultimately, UP and ADMU alums and graduates of other law schools would eventually work with and/or go against each other.On the rare occasions that we are instrumental in a matter where quality service was rendered, rights were upheld and justice was served, then let's just look back at our law schol days and thank our respective alma maters for arming us with the basic knowledge and raw skills to practice our chosen profession.

that's funny. people at UP-Law tell me that, in recent years, nearly half the froshies are from ateneo.

anyway, in further reaction to ranger's post, could it be that the 80(10) guys were of a completely different set from those who scored 1,2,4,8,10? could they have gotten their undergraduate degrees from, say, UP-Diliman?

[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: mac_bolan00 ]

Lemme see, the Numero Uno guy was from DLSU (yikes!), the number 2 was ADMU, No. 4 was Ateneo De Cagayan, No. 8 was DLSU (yikesx2) and No.10 was either UP Diliman or DLSU (Yikesx3! hehe).

When I was a student at Malcolm Hall (many years ago), there was only a smattering of Ateneo grads among the students there. Though few in number, the Loyola grads distinguished themselves in their academic work or in their participation in extra-curricular activities such as debates or spots on the the Philippine Law Journal or Order of the Purple Feather Honors Society. The Ateneo grads really gave the UP-Diliman grads a run for their money in the various competitions in the law school.

Recently, I spoke to one of the officers of UP Law and he confirmed that there were now a lot of Ateneo grads in the College -- at least, much more than in my time. The impression I got was that the faculty was very happy and impressed by the Ateneo grads.

I can only hope that the Loyolans are still in the thick of things in the academic and extra-curricular battles in Diliman!

[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Maverick ]

6 out 10 from the Ateneo. Not bad at all. Sino ngayon ang talo?

Top 10 in the 2002 Bar Examinations:

1. UST

2. ATENEO - Connie Chu

3. SBC

4. ATENEO - Teresa Chan Gonzaga

ATENEO - Michelle Juan (tie)

5. ATENEO - Dorothy Uy

6. UP

7. ATENEO - Joel Gregorio

8. SBC

9. SBC

10. ATENEO - Joseph Sarmiento

Congratulations to all who passed, especially the Ateneans!!!!

One Big Fight!
+amdg+

[ March 01, 2003: Message edited by: BerdengEbak ]

2002 BAR EXAMINATIONS part 1
EXAMINEES WHO OBRAINED THE TEN HIGHEST RATING


1.MANEJA Arlene M UST 92.9000

2.CHU Connie G AdeMU 90.4000

3.RECALDE Eric R SBC 90.3000

4.CHAN-GONZAGA Ma. Ngina Teresa V AdeMU 89.8000

4.JUAN Michelle Ann U AdeMU 89.8000

5.UY Dorothy A AdeMU 89.5000

6.GAMEZ Maria Gracia R UP 89.4000

7.GREGORIO Joel Emerson J AdeMU 89.1000

8.AUSTRIA Rex S SBC 89.0500

9.ORTHA, II George O SBC 89.0000

10.SARMIENTO Joseph Lyle K AdeMU 88.7500


UST topped the bar the first since the late president Diosdado Macapagal

Well for one thing, UP-Law has been managing an "honest" 87% passing rate for several years now.



[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: nom_de_plume ]

JuSt FoR LaUgHs, ChEcK ThiS SiTe

iT's CoMeDy At ItS bEsT!

You probably mean that UP has been managing an "honest" 80% passing rate for several years now.

That's good! See? It's good to be "honest." Liberating, no?

Some of the reasons why you should choose UP LAW SCHOOL over other leading universities in the Philippines:

*UP is the most famous and the most prestigious university in the country –
UP is recognized worldwide. In all surveys, local or international, UP is alone on top of the league table. UP has well-established relationaships with leading universities all over the world. It is a member of the UNIVERSITAS 21, a group of very prestigious universities in Asia-Pacific and was recently accepted as member of the prestigious APRU or The Association of Pacific Rim Universities .

If you doubt this, ask the presidents of the following universities below:

Australia
Australian National University (Canberra)
University of Sydney (Sydney)
Canada
University of British Columbia (Vancouver)
Chile
University of Chile (Santiago)
China
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Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (Hong Kong)
Peking University (Beijing)
Tsinghua University (Beijing)
University of Science and Technology of China (Hefei)
Chinese Taipei
National Taiwan University (Taipei)
Indonesia
University of Indonesia (Jakarta)
Japan
Keio University (Tokyo)
Kyoto University (Kyoto)
Osaka University (Osaka)
University of Tokyo (Tokyo)
Waseda University (Tokyo)
Korea
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Malaysia
University of Malaya (Kuala Lumpur)
Mexico
National Autonomous University of Mexico (New Mexico City)
New Zealand
University of Auckland (Auckland)
Philippines
University of the Philippines (Quezon City)
Russia
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Singapore
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Thailand
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University of California, Los Angeles
University of California, San Diego
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University of Southern California (Los Angeles)
University of Washington (Seattle)


* Opportunity to mingle with the country's most briliant students –
Where on earth can you sit in a class full of valedictorians and salutatorians from prestigious high schools in the country? In every block of 35 students in UP, half were high school valedictorians and the remaining half were in the top ten of their high schools. It’s gonna be a whole new experience for each and everyone of you.

* UP has the biggest funding of all universities in the country amounting to more than 5 Billion pesos every year.

* UP has a legislated role to lead the intellect of the nation. Despite intense competition for higher education funding, UP has been allocated more than any other university in many years.

* UP is a multidisciplinary university with a strong commitment to excellence in both teaching and research. It also has a radical, pioneering tradition in innovation in teaching and learning

* UP is an international university with students from 36 countries.

* UP has a libraries of over 2.5 million volumes, the biggest and widest collections in the country.

* UP has an enormous range of student societies, particularly strong in drama, music, fine art and sport.

Then, there are plenty of scholarship programs, a great campus, a range of accommodation options, and city living in a hassle-free environment.

UP Fight!

Yes it is, especially when you register the highest passing rate in 2002 through 'honest' means; unlike some school that tells its candidates who the examiners will be 6 months in advance (in case you didn't know, the identity of examiners is confidential up to the time of the exam), and blatantly passes around "refreshers" before the tests start right there in the lasalle campus. Jeeezz, you expect they'd at least get a higher passing rate.

[ June 16, 2003: Message edited by: nom_de_plume ]

1. Ateneo registered the highest passing rate in the 2002 bar. Are you claiming that UP did?

2. You're wrong, the identity of the examiner isn't secret just up to the time they give the exam. It remains secret until the time the results are released. Imagine if everyone knew you were the examiner after the exam were administered. All the barristers will flock to you and ask that you give them more credit for their answers.

3. We speculate who the examiners will be. It's actually possible to do this. There are certain teachers who teach certain subjects in all law schools every year. For example, Bautista teaches remedial law subjects in UP and Ateneo, Balane teaches civil law in both schools, Azucena teaches Labor in both schools. If these teachers announce that they will not teach the next year, there is an automatic presumption that they will be the examiner. We're not privy to who the examiners will be. We speculate on them. That's what all good law students should do di ba? As a law student, you check the past exams of profs, and you try to figure out, based on those exams, what points are considered most important for the prof, such that he will always have a question on that particular point. That's what you'll be doing din as a lawyer. Before appearing before the Supreme Court and filing your pleadings, you study the cases that have been decided by the SC so far, and ask, "Are the factual circumstances in my case similar to those ruled upon by the Court so far, such that it will rule in my favor?"

So if you find out a certain prof will not teach, and that professor has been a bar examiner before, there is a big possibility that he will be the examiner. So you check that professor's past exams. I'm sure other schools do this too. If they don't do this, then they get a low mark, then they complain that Ateneo got the inside story on who the examiner will be, mali yan.

4. What's wrong with passing around refreshers in the DLSU campus? YOu acknowledged that it's being done before the exams begin, so what's wrong? Unless you're implying that we got tips as to what will come out in the bar because we know who the examiners will be? Of course not! All those tips are based on pure speculation, as to what will probably come out in the bar, based on the latest cases decided by the Court. Other schools do this too.

how many grads from ateneo law took the 2002 exam and how many failed?

oh and please include both first-timers and repeaters.

very quickly now.

nom_de_plume, I don't think you have ever been a law student. There's nothing wrong with those "refreshers" that you are talking about. I've helped out in UP-Law's Bar-Ops for 2 years when I was still a student in Malcolm Hall and we "manufactured" these tips all the time. These are products of pure but educated speculation. Not heeding this tips would be very idiotic for any law student taking the bar.

As far as i can remember, we in UP-Law also engage in "forecasting" who the examiners will be. Our "forecasts" apparently have more credibility since there are more UP Law grads in the Judiciary.

Even in the hallowed halls of Malcolm, it is well acknowledged that Ateneo has always had a higher passing rate in recent memory. But we are still proud of being given the opportunity of studying in UP. After all, we had a good run in topping the bar in recent years.

Please don't make us look bad by being obnoxious nom_de_plume. In case you have not realized it, UP-Law's fame and glory does not necessarily brush-off on undergrad wannabes. Kung gusto mong magyabang, get yourself into UP-Law and prove yourself.

That's funny. In A.net and PEX, you said you finished your undergrad in the ateneo whereas you never mentioned you studied at Malcolm Hall. Please answer this because I'm not sure myself: What subjects do Magallona and Caranza teach?

Don't they teach you people physics and biology? No Atenean has ever given a correct answer to the questions, "Why is the sky blue" and "Why is the grass green". Poor, sheltered snots.

BASTA THE BEST LAW FRAT -- AQUILA LEGIS!!!

Sumabat na naman si aquila legis,alam mo pare (o mare?)kung talagang law student ka, tingin ko hindi ka:

1. makakagraduate sa Ateneo Law; and

2. makatapos ka man ng Law, hindi ka papasa sa Bar.