Full Version: Down from the Hill
ateneo
bawiin na lang natin yung lupa ng miriam! seriously though, being a true-blue atenean, it will be very painful for me to see the grade school and high school go. however, i do think that our school is too congested. right now, each grade level in grade school has an average of 12 sections, and 15 sections in high school. i hope the jesuits consider the idea of opening "branches." if they do that, they can already afford to accept less students in the loyala campus.
yeah i hope, they open more branches here in luzon...
Possible locations under consideration include Fort Bonifacio, Canlubang, Alabang, Antipolo, somewhere in Laguna (Santa Rosa, San Pablo), among others. I think it will be multiple sites with the main campus being closer to Loyola. My bet is Fort Bonifacio given Mr. Pangilinan's ties.
i hope these jesuits realize that one of the more integral aspects of an ateneo education that sets it notches above the rest is the "family" culture that is inculcated in us through the years. the fact that the three levels are just a stone's throw away from each other is a big, big factor.
dude, pag sineparate yung tatlong yan, mapuptol yung link. kaya sobrang close ng community e. because nagkaka-interact yung mga kuya (at ate) at mga little bros nila. sobrang cool kaya noon.
this is a big mistake. wag lang sana mangyari na sa future, pag mapapadaan kami ng mga anak ko sa katipunan, ay sasabihin kong "dyan nag-grade school at high school si daddy." tapos sasabihin ng mga anak ko, "akala ko daddy sa ateneo ka nag-aral? e di ba nasa ________ ang grade school at high school?" at tutugon naman ako ng, "oo mga anak, pero dati kasi dyan yung grade school e. kasama ng college. dyan o, sa likod ng state-of-the-art gym na yan. tapos yung high school nandooooon, sa dulo malapit kung saan nag-papraktis ang blue eagles."
nakalulungkot na tanong naman ni junior: "ibig sabihi daddy nakikita mo yung blue eagles dati kahit grade school at high school ka pa lang?" at naluluha kong sasabihin, "oo anak... ganoon dati...(sniff)... t@ng ina kasi yung mga ____ na yon e. lipat-liapt pa. walang sense of tradition. leche."
dude, pag sineparate yung tatlong yan, mapuptol yung link. kaya sobrang close ng community e. because nagkaka-interact yung mga kuya (at ate) at mga little bros nila. sobrang cool kaya noon.
this is a big mistake. wag lang sana mangyari na sa future, pag mapapadaan kami ng mga anak ko sa katipunan, ay sasabihin kong "dyan nag-grade school at high school si daddy." tapos sasabihin ng mga anak ko, "akala ko daddy sa ateneo ka nag-aral? e di ba nasa ________ ang grade school at high school?" at tutugon naman ako ng, "oo mga anak, pero dati kasi dyan yung grade school e. kasama ng college. dyan o, sa likod ng state-of-the-art gym na yan. tapos yung high school nandooooon, sa dulo malapit kung saan nag-papraktis ang blue eagles."
nakalulungkot na tanong naman ni junior: "ibig sabihi daddy nakikita mo yung blue eagles dati kahit grade school at high school ka pa lang?" at naluluha kong sasabihin, "oo anak... ganoon dati...(sniff)... t@ng ina kasi yung mga ____ na yon e. lipat-liapt pa. walang sense of tradition. leche."
ateneo
i don't know, BK.
the loyola campus to me seems perfect. we have space. marami pang dating maisan na nakatiwangwang pa rin. malapit naman sa maraming bagay yung campus. napaka-conducive to learning ng atmosphere. kung gusto mo i-gather ang buong ateneo community, napakadali. and there's just something awe-inspiring in seeing that big blue eagle every morning tuwing papasok ka, at sa hapon o gabi, pag pauwi ka na. it always brings a smile to my face, even now.
t@ngina, guys! especially yung mga GS and HS alumni! gawa naman tayo ng paraan.
the loyola campus to me seems perfect. we have space. marami pang dating maisan na nakatiwangwang pa rin. malapit naman sa maraming bagay yung campus. napaka-conducive to learning ng atmosphere. kung gusto mo i-gather ang buong ateneo community, napakadali. and there's just something awe-inspiring in seeing that big blue eagle every morning tuwing papasok ka, at sa hapon o gabi, pag pauwi ka na. it always brings a smile to my face, even now.
t@ngina, guys! especially yung mga GS and HS alumni! gawa naman tayo ng paraan.
I gotcha, bluewing. that's why i am riled about this development. and that's an understatement.
Go ask your batch reps about this info. If you don't know. See what you can do. Dapat kasi lahat mas involved sa community at sa alumni affairs.
And dude, I love Ateneo as much as you, man. Third generation Atenean ako sa father's and mother's side. Seeing my nephews there now just makes me feel proud.
Pare, have you ever tried staying at the knoll where Gesu now stands during sunset? Then during the Simbang Gabi Masses, man -- that's something else.
Takes me back, a long way back.
Animo Ateneo!
PS Atenean Blooded: what happened to your post? Did you delete it?
Go ask your batch reps about this info. If you don't know. See what you can do. Dapat kasi lahat mas involved sa community at sa alumni affairs.
And dude, I love Ateneo as much as you, man. Third generation Atenean ako sa father's and mother's side. Seeing my nephews there now just makes me feel proud.
Pare, have you ever tried staying at the knoll where Gesu now stands during sunset? Then during the Simbang Gabi Masses, man -- that's something else.
Takes me back, a long way back.
Animo Ateneo!
PS Atenean Blooded: what happened to your post? Did you delete it?
on the surface of things, lawns and fields and mostly low-rise school buildings are what make the loyola campus so different from most other schools. this may explain why previous posters seem so attached to the grounds, the physical "feel" of the place. i feel much the same way too.
but let's be under no illusions - we're going to run out of room in due course, the road network around katipunan can't support growth even if we had decades more of expansion within the campus itself. open spaces can better be replicated outside the city anyway.
i wouldn't be too concerned either about how "radical" a move out of the loyola campus might seem for the grade school and high school. you have to remember that people complained vociferously about the move from padre faura to loyola heights as well, but it turned out to be a brilliant, far-reaching decision.
the only thing i know for sure is that the one physical thing you can't transfer to another location is the view of the marikina valley - and all the "stand-on-a-hill" baggage that comes with it. for all we know, the next campus may not even be on a hill. someday in the middle of the 21st century an atenean in the new campus is going to sing the school song and come to a stunning realization - wait a minute! this school has no hills! - and proceed to write new songs tailored for the new generation of flatlander ateneans.
good for them, i say. every new campus, with a totally different set of demographics, deserves its own distinct culture.
which brings me to the point that people, more than physical plant, had a lot to do with making loyola the kind of place it is. the question that presents itself now is - who shaped the culture of loyola heights anyway?
the obvious suspects are the jesuits, of course.
members of the society who presided over the transfer from padre faura to the new site in middle-of-nowhere quezon city should rightly be our first stop. just like any religious order, they had visions for their students of leafy quadrangles and quiet study areas as a retreat from the hustle and bustle of the world, in order for their students to engage in rigorous academics and serious play.
unlike many other religious orders operating schools in the philippines, they were also largely american - highly pragmatic, with no hangups whatsoever about educating the children of the elite, and bearing absolutely none of the over-intellectualized, social-democrat philosophical angst that afflicted the society in the 1980s and 1990s.
in short, they believed in raising "leaders of men" - students who would in the future run a third-world country from the top down - and made no apologies for it. the american jesuits of the 60s would just as soon kick you out even if you had good grades if they believed you didn't fit the leadership mold, or lurked in corners reading books all the time without participating in sports.
that's why ateneans have historically been polished speakers and writers, organization men who would know how to run clubs or governments or publications, dabble in amateur theatrics, play a sport or two. because that's what the americans thought it would take to rebuild a country from the ruins of war. for better or for worse, it produced the "ultraconfident" well-spoken-but-mayabang atenean stereotype of our parents' and grandparents' generations.
this was, philosophically, a very diferent way of doing things from the "men for others" approach that came to the fore with the new generation of jesuits in the 1970s, when the prevailing thinking was change from the bottom up, an effort that ran parallel to the underground movement to rid the country of ferdinand marcos.
a top-down approach to changing society wasn't available to them anymore in a dictatorship, so the jesuits applied their traditional skills as subversives by devoting a lot of effort to community organizing.
for better or for worse, it produced an atenean more aware of the plight of the lower classes, and more sympathetic to a simpler lifestyle and alternative careers as a means of serving the country. the main criticism is that ateneans of this generation have become less self-confident and more conflicted about where they really fit in - are they corporate fodder like everyone else, or are they better off doing God's work in low-paying jobs?
what kind of atenean the new campus will produce will be largely determined, once more, by the kind of presence the jesuits can field on the ground.
signs are that they won't be as influential as the previous two generations of jesuits because of long-term trends like the dwindling number of people entering the priesthood and the related phenomenon of increasing proportions of lay faculty. the lay faculty may be the most competent people in the world, but as transmitters of the spirit of Saint Ignatius, you can't beat a full-fledged SJ. what you'll probably get is a lay-dominated campus much like ateneo at rockwell or ateneo at de la costa, only bigger of course, with the best professional faculty as the jesuits can manage to recruit to such a remote location.
here's where you start guessing into jesuit motives, apart from the obvious one about decongesting loyola.
maybe the jesuits figured that their numbers were dwindling anyway, even in loyola, and that any future ateneos would have a only bare sprinkling of SJs, and are going to be as different from the loyola of the 50s as you could possibly get.
if you were in their shoes, wouldn't you roll the dice and bet on a new campus? you're never never going to recreate the glories of old loyola anyway, even in loyola itself. staying in loyola only, you risk becoming a la salle. expanding out of loyola, you stand a chance of giving another generation a similar experience of fresh air and green fields and wide open spaces - and who knows what great things that might lead to someday?
but let's be under no illusions - we're going to run out of room in due course, the road network around katipunan can't support growth even if we had decades more of expansion within the campus itself. open spaces can better be replicated outside the city anyway.
i wouldn't be too concerned either about how "radical" a move out of the loyola campus might seem for the grade school and high school. you have to remember that people complained vociferously about the move from padre faura to loyola heights as well, but it turned out to be a brilliant, far-reaching decision.
the only thing i know for sure is that the one physical thing you can't transfer to another location is the view of the marikina valley - and all the "stand-on-a-hill" baggage that comes with it. for all we know, the next campus may not even be on a hill. someday in the middle of the 21st century an atenean in the new campus is going to sing the school song and come to a stunning realization - wait a minute! this school has no hills! - and proceed to write new songs tailored for the new generation of flatlander ateneans.
good for them, i say. every new campus, with a totally different set of demographics, deserves its own distinct culture.
which brings me to the point that people, more than physical plant, had a lot to do with making loyola the kind of place it is. the question that presents itself now is - who shaped the culture of loyola heights anyway?
the obvious suspects are the jesuits, of course.
members of the society who presided over the transfer from padre faura to the new site in middle-of-nowhere quezon city should rightly be our first stop. just like any religious order, they had visions for their students of leafy quadrangles and quiet study areas as a retreat from the hustle and bustle of the world, in order for their students to engage in rigorous academics and serious play.
unlike many other religious orders operating schools in the philippines, they were also largely american - highly pragmatic, with no hangups whatsoever about educating the children of the elite, and bearing absolutely none of the over-intellectualized, social-democrat philosophical angst that afflicted the society in the 1980s and 1990s.
in short, they believed in raising "leaders of men" - students who would in the future run a third-world country from the top down - and made no apologies for it. the american jesuits of the 60s would just as soon kick you out even if you had good grades if they believed you didn't fit the leadership mold, or lurked in corners reading books all the time without participating in sports.
that's why ateneans have historically been polished speakers and writers, organization men who would know how to run clubs or governments or publications, dabble in amateur theatrics, play a sport or two. because that's what the americans thought it would take to rebuild a country from the ruins of war. for better or for worse, it produced the "ultraconfident" well-spoken-but-mayabang atenean stereotype of our parents' and grandparents' generations.
this was, philosophically, a very diferent way of doing things from the "men for others" approach that came to the fore with the new generation of jesuits in the 1970s, when the prevailing thinking was change from the bottom up, an effort that ran parallel to the underground movement to rid the country of ferdinand marcos.
a top-down approach to changing society wasn't available to them anymore in a dictatorship, so the jesuits applied their traditional skills as subversives by devoting a lot of effort to community organizing.
for better or for worse, it produced an atenean more aware of the plight of the lower classes, and more sympathetic to a simpler lifestyle and alternative careers as a means of serving the country. the main criticism is that ateneans of this generation have become less self-confident and more conflicted about where they really fit in - are they corporate fodder like everyone else, or are they better off doing God's work in low-paying jobs?
what kind of atenean the new campus will produce will be largely determined, once more, by the kind of presence the jesuits can field on the ground.
signs are that they won't be as influential as the previous two generations of jesuits because of long-term trends like the dwindling number of people entering the priesthood and the related phenomenon of increasing proportions of lay faculty. the lay faculty may be the most competent people in the world, but as transmitters of the spirit of Saint Ignatius, you can't beat a full-fledged SJ. what you'll probably get is a lay-dominated campus much like ateneo at rockwell or ateneo at de la costa, only bigger of course, with the best professional faculty as the jesuits can manage to recruit to such a remote location.
here's where you start guessing into jesuit motives, apart from the obvious one about decongesting loyola.
maybe the jesuits figured that their numbers were dwindling anyway, even in loyola, and that any future ateneos would have a only bare sprinkling of SJs, and are going to be as different from the loyola of the 50s as you could possibly get.
if you were in their shoes, wouldn't you roll the dice and bet on a new campus? you're never never going to recreate the glories of old loyola anyway, even in loyola itself. staying in loyola only, you risk becoming a la salle. expanding out of loyola, you stand a chance of giving another generation a similar experience of fresh air and green fields and wide open spaces - and who knows what great things that might lead to someday?
Keep the schools in Loyola, I say.
QUOTE(Bleachers King @ Jan 17 2005, 02:55 PM)
Keep the schools in Loyola, I say.
A big and resounding amen to that, BK! Arguably, there is need for change - but as radical as relocating both the AGS and AHS? I believe there are many other less-traumatic solutions.
Hope you guys make your voices heard not just here in the forum.
Animo Ateneo!
Animo Ateneo!
bk, where do they plan to move the campuses?
Instead of moving the GS and the HS, I agree that the Ateneo should instead think of setting their sights to the South like Alabang and Laguna. These should be schools that are not exclusive for boys but will also enable girls to be exposed to Ateneo education at a very young age. Keep the Katipunan GS and HS as exclusive realms but let the new Ateneo schools be an avenue for pursuing education in the South without gender restrictions.
QUOTE(easter @ Jan 17 2005, 08:24 PM)
Instead of moving the GS and the HS, I agree that the Ateneo should instead think of setting their sights to the South like Alabang and Laguna. These should be schools that are not exclusive for boys but will also enable girls to be exposed to Ateneo education at a very young age. Keep the Katipunan GS and HS as exclusive realms but let the new Ateneo schools be an avenue for pursuing education in the South without gender restrictions.
kung ililipat ang GS at HS, paano na ang mga pamilya na mula sa mga karatig na lungsod o bayan na nasa silangan bahagi ng Metro Manila tulad ng Marikina, QC, Pasig, Antipolo, Cainta, atbp. na nais ipag-aral ang mga anak nila sa ADMU? alalahanin lang natin na karamihan ng mga estudyante ng Ateneo GS at HS (at karamihan na mga honor students) ay galing sa mga lugar na ito. paano na sila? para sa akin, isang malaking kawalan para sa Ateneo kung aalisin o ipagtanggi ang pagkakataon para sa mga susunod na henerasyon na mga estudyante mula sa lugar na ito na makapag-aral sa Ateneo GS at HS, at tuloy-tuloy hanggang kolehiyo sa Ateneo. palagay ko, mas mainam na manatili ang GS at HS sa kanilang kinatatayuan sa kasakalukuyan, at magtaguyod na lang ng mga sangay ng Ateneo GS at HS sa isa o dalawa (kung saan posible) sa nabanaggit na mga binabalak na lugar.
Transferring the grade schools and high schools would rob the future generations of the sense of camaraderie and school spirit that most of us here enjoy and thrive in. Not seeing their "future selves" might rob them of that drive, that desire to continue on to the college, because it might appear to be a separate entity, out of reach.
Tradition might suffer.
Tradition might suffer.
I'm not sure where, but I'll find out. I suspect that they're either looking at the Fort, Antipolo, maybe even Sta. Rosa.
I strongly urge that you all ask around from your batch reps (if they're active sa alumni affairs) and make your voices heard.
Sort of reminds me of how the San Juan Councilors used to pass midnight laws without the populace knowing of them.
Keep the schools in Loyola where they belong.
I strongly urge that you all ask around from your batch reps (if they're active sa alumni affairs) and make your voices heard.
Sort of reminds me of how the San Juan Councilors used to pass midnight laws without the populace knowing of them.
Keep the schools in Loyola where they belong.
I did not come from the G.s. or H.s. but I am not in favor of moving these two departments elsewhere. My reason is simple ( although arguably impractical) having all three departments in loyola gives the whole ateneo community a sense of unity. Heck, I never even liked the idea of having the law school in rockwell. Basta for sentimental reasons I want us all in the same place. I hope the plans about transferring never push through. Wala na bang ibang lupa na pwede bilihin sa loyola heights para maka expand?
perhaps they're thinking of setups similar to Ateneo de Naga and Ateneo de Davao, both of which are split campuses (campi?).
personally, I think the optimum would be to open up an entirely new Ateneo branch within Metro Manila, preferably towards the South (Ateneo de Manila now is closer to the North). too many people going to GS and HS live near Loyola Heights; heck, some of them are even scholars from the immediate areas.
personally, I think the optimum would be to open up an entirely new Ateneo branch within Metro Manila, preferably towards the South (Ateneo de Manila now is closer to the North). too many people going to GS and HS live near Loyola Heights; heck, some of them are even scholars from the immediate areas.
the thing i'd like to reiterate about the loyola campus is that within the campus itself, space is not an issue, and probably won't be for a few more decades. it's the road network around it that's the problem. the jesuits did their homework and provided for a lot of room when they built the place, but they didn't count on the government (through neglect) and the surrounding subdivisions (by gating streets) to effectively choke access to the site. so while the school can, in theory, build vertically to accommodate more students, the capacity of the road network is exhausted before we even reach the limits of our own capacity.
another aspect of the problem that i feel has not been evaluated properly in this discussion is that if you do decide to keep everything in Loyola, you'll come quickly to the point where high-rise structures become necessary. when you build taller buildings, you have to ask, at which point do you start altering the character of the place? do you build until you start to look like UST, with the massive front lawn and cramped medium-rise buildings in the back? do you build until you look like FEU, with big commercial buildings along the perimeter and massive courtyards inside? do you build until you look like UAP or AIM, which look almost entirely like office buildings?
another aspect of the problem that i feel has not been evaluated properly in this discussion is that if you do decide to keep everything in Loyola, you'll come quickly to the point where high-rise structures become necessary. when you build taller buildings, you have to ask, at which point do you start altering the character of the place? do you build until you start to look like UST, with the massive front lawn and cramped medium-rise buildings in the back? do you build until you look like FEU, with big commercial buildings along the perimeter and massive courtyards inside? do you build until you look like UAP or AIM, which look almost entirely like office buildings?
guys,
don't misunderstand it. i think change is good. in fact, i have always advocated the serious upgrading of loyola center (it's a shame that the place is dusty, dirty and just plain outdated -- in fact, in the last MICABA game there, one shot clock wasn't even working) and the creation of other buildings and facilities such as dorms, libraries etc. i am all for opening schools elswhere. why should we be selfish about the Jesuit education?
i am also pretty sure that school management has explored other possibilities. but to move the two schools doesn't sound like a good idea when it isn't much of a problem in the first place.
traffic has always been a problem not just in the metropolis but along katipunan. talagang traffic when dismissal of ateneo is the same as miriam, kostka, even UP. i wonder if the school has sat down with MMDA officials to discuss solutions to traffic. but then again, that isn't the point here, is it.
i have heard from good sources that malabo ilipat sa fort coz of ownership. so does that leave antipolo or alabang? wherever it is, keep the schools in loyola then open satellite schools elsewhere.
someone has opined that when fr. masterson moved the ateneo from padre faura to loyola, it was highly unpopular, butin the end it turned out to be a masterstroke. maybe history will repeat itself. maybe not. but times were different then.
man, i don't know anymore. does the alumni have a say in this matter? wish i paid a little more attention during that meet with admu officials. na distract kasi ako when i was talking to one of our basketball recruits for next season.
don't misunderstand it. i think change is good. in fact, i have always advocated the serious upgrading of loyola center (it's a shame that the place is dusty, dirty and just plain outdated -- in fact, in the last MICABA game there, one shot clock wasn't even working) and the creation of other buildings and facilities such as dorms, libraries etc. i am all for opening schools elswhere. why should we be selfish about the Jesuit education?
i am also pretty sure that school management has explored other possibilities. but to move the two schools doesn't sound like a good idea when it isn't much of a problem in the first place.
traffic has always been a problem not just in the metropolis but along katipunan. talagang traffic when dismissal of ateneo is the same as miriam, kostka, even UP. i wonder if the school has sat down with MMDA officials to discuss solutions to traffic. but then again, that isn't the point here, is it.
i have heard from good sources that malabo ilipat sa fort coz of ownership. so does that leave antipolo or alabang? wherever it is, keep the schools in loyola then open satellite schools elsewhere.
someone has opined that when fr. masterson moved the ateneo from padre faura to loyola, it was highly unpopular, butin the end it turned out to be a masterstroke. maybe history will repeat itself. maybe not. but times were different then.
man, i don't know anymore. does the alumni have a say in this matter? wish i paid a little more attention during that meet with admu officials. na distract kasi ako when i was talking to one of our basketball recruits for next season.
hey BK, no argument there, i'm just trying to think out all the angles to this problem, that's all. i believe our main differences lie in how long we're willing to project into the future and what ideas we might have for the loyola campus that might remain.
one of my reservations about a move, though, is that there's probably a huge real estate angle to this deal - by which i mean, someone will score big-time one way or another if some of the loyola schools set up shop elsewhere in the city. you don't just offer a big parcel of land to a school and not expect to get anything in return. based on history (san agustin, la salle zobel, ateneo-rockwell) and the proposed sites being batted around, i'd say someone has written up a business plan that involves capturing an ateneo school as a tenant in order to sell nearby subdivision plots, commercial real estate and industrial parks. i can see our school's name on all the brochures already, ha ha.
one of my reservations about a move, though, is that there's probably a huge real estate angle to this deal - by which i mean, someone will score big-time one way or another if some of the loyola schools set up shop elsewhere in the city. you don't just offer a big parcel of land to a school and not expect to get anything in return. based on history (san agustin, la salle zobel, ateneo-rockwell) and the proposed sites being batted around, i'd say someone has written up a business plan that involves capturing an ateneo school as a tenant in order to sell nearby subdivision plots, commercial real estate and industrial parks. i can see our school's name on all the brochures already, ha ha.
hey peking man. miss having some brewskis with you.
i was referring to someone on some e-group who misunderstood the premise of this thread.
well, looks like the firestorm's started.
i was referring to someone on some e-group who misunderstood the premise of this thread.
well, looks like the firestorm's started.
QUOTE(Bleachers King @ Jan 17 2005, 02:57 AM)
Pare, have you ever tried staying at the knoll where Gesu now stands during sunset? Then during the Simbang Gabi Masses, man -- that's something else.
of course i have. actually, sa may hill na yon (well, in the vicinity at least) ako sinagot ng girlfriend ko of 4 years now. 4th year college ako noon. she's from UP and even she fell in love with the place.
sobrang bad trip. like you guys, pangarap ko rin na dyan ipasok lahat ng mga anak ko. i'm sure pati brother ko (3rd year HS) yun din ang gusto.
i agree na malaking kawalan ang mga naumpisahan nang mga proyekto gaya ng TD na ilang dekada nang going strong. i'm sure many families have pinned their hopes on programs such as these, lalo na yung may mga kakilala, kamag-anak o kaaway na nagbago ang buhay dahil sa tulong-dunong. isn't this planned move a deprivation of their dreams as well? kahit bigyan pa ng scholarship yang mga yan, sa tingin nyo ba ay madaling pumunta ng alabang? kahit na pag-dormin nyo yan ay mahirap pa rin. putsa, yun ngang pumasok lang sa klase, major adjustment na sa kanila e. yun pa kayang hugutin sila sa mga pamilya nila? malabo.
uprooting the GS and HS from loyola is unfair not only to the present ateneans studying there na nakatira sa marikina, qc, cainta, etc., but also for future ateneans whose dream of receiving the finest education may seem bleaker once the campus is relocated. kung gusto nilang ma-reach yung mga taga-timog, e di magtayo nga sila roon.
keep the loyola campus. they should realize that part of the unique ateneo experience is the cloxe proximity of the three levels. seeing their older brothers and their stomping grounds gives the younger levels something to aim for. KAYA NGA MASARAP MAGING ATENISTA. dahil yung saya na nakikita nating tinatamasa dati ng mga nauna sa atin ay sya ring ating nanamnamin sa pagdating ng araw.
at dati, lumipat ang ateneo sa padre faura dahil nasunog yung school sa intramuros. wala namang sunog ngayon a.
atenean blooded,
got your PM. with all due respect, i am pasting onto the thread.
ATENEAN BLOODED WROTE:
I've spoken with the people from upper admi. The rumor is unsubstantiated.
What is true is that the Ateneo is now actively seeking land in the south area (possibly Calamba, for the Rizal connection, Carmona, or Canlubang) where it will be setting up a sattelite GS and HS. This move is being pushed by the Ateneo de Manila, and so it's easy to misconstrue that it's the AGS and AHS that are being moved.
They stay in Loyola Heights.
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well, i hope that this is so. i will do some double checking tomorrow. from what i know of and heard, it isn't. but let's just hope that it isn't so.
i first heard of this from the batch reps who attended a meeting at rockwell about two months ago. all of us who heard of it were shocked to say the least. it came up again last sunday at a meet in moro.
hope it's nothing, okay? fingers crossed.
got your PM. with all due respect, i am pasting onto the thread.
ATENEAN BLOODED WROTE:
I've spoken with the people from upper admi. The rumor is unsubstantiated.
What is true is that the Ateneo is now actively seeking land in the south area (possibly Calamba, for the Rizal connection, Carmona, or Canlubang) where it will be setting up a sattelite GS and HS. This move is being pushed by the Ateneo de Manila, and so it's easy to misconstrue that it's the AGS and AHS that are being moved.
They stay in Loyola Heights.
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well, i hope that this is so. i will do some double checking tomorrow. from what i know of and heard, it isn't. but let's just hope that it isn't so.
i first heard of this from the batch reps who attended a meeting at rockwell about two months ago. all of us who heard of it were shocked to say the least. it came up again last sunday at a meet in moro.
hope it's nothing, okay? fingers crossed.
QUOTE(peking man @ Jan 18 2005, 05:29 PM)
hey BK, no argument there, i'm just trying to think out all the angles to this problem, that's all. i believe our main differences lie in how long we're willing to project into the future and what ideas we might have for the loyola campus that might remain.
one of my reservations about a move, though, is that there's probably a huge real estate angle to this deal - by which i mean, someone will score big-time one way or another if some of the loyola schools set up shop elsewhere in the city. you don't just offer a big parcel of land to a school and not expect to get anything in return. based on history (san agustin, la salle zobel, ateneo-rockwell) and the proposed sites being batted around, i'd say someone has written up a business plan that involves capturing an ateneo school as a tenant in order to sell nearby subdivision plots, commercial real estate and industrial parks. i can see our school's name on all the brochures already, ha ha.
one of my reservations about a move, though, is that there's probably a huge real estate angle to this deal - by which i mean, someone will score big-time one way or another if some of the loyola schools set up shop elsewhere in the city. you don't just offer a big parcel of land to a school and not expect to get anything in return. based on history (san agustin, la salle zobel, ateneo-rockwell) and the proposed sites being batted around, i'd say someone has written up a business plan that involves capturing an ateneo school as a tenant in order to sell nearby subdivision plots, commercial real estate and industrial parks. i can see our school's name on all the brochures already, ha ha.
sus! kung kickback lang ang problema, e di magtayo nga sila ng satellite campus. kung inaasahan nila na sa paglipat ng campus ay sasama lahat ng mga naka-enroll doon, they might be in for a surprise. gustuhin man nilang lahat, the sad fact is hindi lahat ng atenista ay mayayaman. a lot of students now come from middle to upper middle class families. and of course, there are the TD kids. should the GS/HS be relocated, baka hindi kyanin ng iba ang added expenses. alam natin na karamihan sa mga enrolled dyan ay from qc, marikina, cainta. masyadong mabigat ang alabang o santa rosa para komyutin. at sa mahal ng gas ngayon, plus e-pass, mahal mag-drive araw-araw. dorms? gastos din. at ma-a-accomodate ba ang at least kalahati ng mga taga-marikina o qc nyan?
that being the case, transfering campuses will not result in transferring he population itself. paano naman yung mga nandoon na?
the wisest move would be to just put up the satellite campuses. think about it: yung mga taga-south doon na mag-eenroll. mas maraming makakaranas ng ateneo education dahil yung mga taga-south na nalalayuan sa loyola ay makakapasok na rin (hindi na nila kailangang magtyaga sa DLSZ). yung greedy individuals who stand to gain, kikita rin dahil siguradong dadagsaan sa pag-enroll ang mga taga-south na kay tagal nang nagtiis sa la salle "education." and of course, the tradition-rich loyola campus will be preserved. i mean, come on! LANDMARK NA YAN. TRADISYON NA YAN. BUHAY NA NATIN YAN.
don't be too hasty in robbing the present and future GS/HS students of their ateneo education just for a quick buck.
bluewing,
will try to find out more about this tomorrow. again, this first came up with the batch reps meeting late last year. and it came up again just last sunday. and i was real shocked.
will try to find out more about this tomorrow. again, this first came up with the batch reps meeting late last year. and it came up again just last sunday. and i was real shocked.
QUOTE(Bleachers King @ Jan 18 2005, 11:59 PM)
atenean blooded,
got your PM. with all due respect, i am pasting onto the thread.
ATENEAN BLOODED WROTE:
I've spoken with the people from upper admi. The rumor is unsubstantiated.
What is true is that the Ateneo is now actively seeking land in the south area (possibly Calamba, for the Rizal connection, Carmona, or Canlubang) where it will be setting up a sattelite GS and HS. This move is being pushed by the Ateneo de Manila, and so it's easy to misconstrue that it's the AGS and AHS that are being moved.
They stay in Loyola Heights.
---
well, i hope that this is so. i will do some double checking tomorrow. from what i know of and heard, it isn't. but let's just hope that it isn't so.
i first heard of this from the batch reps who attended a meeting at rockwell about two months ago. all of us who heard of it were shocked to say the least. it came up again last sunday at a meet in moro.
hope it's nothing, okay? fingers crossed.
got your PM. with all due respect, i am pasting onto the thread.
ATENEAN BLOODED WROTE:
I've spoken with the people from upper admi. The rumor is unsubstantiated.
What is true is that the Ateneo is now actively seeking land in the south area (possibly Calamba, for the Rizal connection, Carmona, or Canlubang) where it will be setting up a sattelite GS and HS. This move is being pushed by the Ateneo de Manila, and so it's easy to misconstrue that it's the AGS and AHS that are being moved.
They stay in Loyola Heights.
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well, i hope that this is so. i will do some double checking tomorrow. from what i know of and heard, it isn't. but let's just hope that it isn't so.
i first heard of this from the batch reps who attended a meeting at rockwell about two months ago. all of us who heard of it were shocked to say the least. it came up again last sunday at a meet in moro.
hope it's nothing, okay? fingers crossed.
putsa, sana, pare.
Satellite campus - good.
Hugot GS and HS completely - bad.
But if they do put up a satellite campus, I hope that everything in it - its look, its feel, its quality, its "products", remain wholly Ateneo.
Hugot GS and HS completely - bad.
But if they do put up a satellite campus, I hope that everything in it - its look, its feel, its quality, its "products", remain wholly Ateneo.
the reality of a satellite campus is that you're never going to recapture the feel of loyola because 1. there won't be enough jesuits and experienced faculty to make for an effective transplant and 2. the demographic profile of the people from the south will be radically different - about as diferent as la salle zobel is to la salle greenhills.
and that's not necessarily a bad thing. the important thing is not to saddle the new school with expectations that it be "just like loyola." it will have its own identity, just like ateneo de naga and xavier university do. the pioneering families that send their children to the new campus will understand that and adjust accordingly.
i'm certain that, after the usual start-up difficulties, they'll eventually bring the educational standard up to loyola levels. their facilities will certainly be more modern once everything's been built up. there's nothing like building up a campus at your leisure for getting the design elements and the infrastructure right - you won't be getting the kind of pressure on the builders that existed at the time of the postwar move from the quonset huts of padre faura.
and that's not necessarily a bad thing. the important thing is not to saddle the new school with expectations that it be "just like loyola." it will have its own identity, just like ateneo de naga and xavier university do. the pioneering families that send their children to the new campus will understand that and adjust accordingly.
i'm certain that, after the usual start-up difficulties, they'll eventually bring the educational standard up to loyola levels. their facilities will certainly be more modern once everything's been built up. there's nothing like building up a campus at your leisure for getting the design elements and the infrastructure right - you won't be getting the kind of pressure on the builders that existed at the time of the postwar move from the quonset huts of padre faura.
well, as much as i'd like to say that it's a hoax. it's not. i assure you. the plans are ongoing. i checked with some people who should be really in the know -- and that's right in the office where i first heard it from. and yes, the people i asked know it's going down. so there.
now, short of a drum line across xavier hall protesting this, what do we do now?
now, short of a drum line across xavier hall protesting this, what do we do now?
You want more land?
a. Buy off a chunk of Maryknoll. It's Jesuit-owned. There's still so much space left there. Compared to Ateneo, Maryknoll is sparsely-dotted with buildings when viewed fromt he 16th floor of a condominium unit in Burgundy.
b. Ask UP to get rid of the squatters there so that we could have a relatively closer satellite building. Let's move all the sci-tech stuff there.
Ano ba talaga ang balak ng mga magpapatalsik sa AGS at AHS? More parking space? Expand vertically na lang! Gusto nyo bang magmistulang La Salle? Tutal may malapit din naman na LRT riyan sa kanto.
KEEP THE AGS AND THE AHS! If you're gonna turn the Loyola Center (out of respect to my alumni friends here) into a state-of-the-art megadome to be the home of the PBA, putsa, that would cause so much traffic.
After a year or two, in spite of being on top of the hills, magmimistula na tayong Taft. With all the establishments across Katipunan, the LRT by the kanto, and this plan of ejecting the AGS and AHS, would you want to be dubbed by the Bedans (who, by the way, have sent their grade schools and high schools to Antipolo and Alabang in order for the Mendiola campus to be solely occupied by the college students) and the Lasallians as echopraxic?
For that reason alone, I'd stand against it. Vehemently.
a. Buy off a chunk of Maryknoll. It's Jesuit-owned. There's still so much space left there. Compared to Ateneo, Maryknoll is sparsely-dotted with buildings when viewed fromt he 16th floor of a condominium unit in Burgundy.
b. Ask UP to get rid of the squatters there so that we could have a relatively closer satellite building. Let's move all the sci-tech stuff there.
Ano ba talaga ang balak ng mga magpapatalsik sa AGS at AHS? More parking space? Expand vertically na lang! Gusto nyo bang magmistulang La Salle? Tutal may malapit din naman na LRT riyan sa kanto.
KEEP THE AGS AND THE AHS! If you're gonna turn the Loyola Center (out of respect to my alumni friends here) into a state-of-the-art megadome to be the home of the PBA, putsa, that would cause so much traffic.
After a year or two, in spite of being on top of the hills, magmimistula na tayong Taft. With all the establishments across Katipunan, the LRT by the kanto, and this plan of ejecting the AGS and AHS, would you want to be dubbed by the Bedans (who, by the way, have sent their grade schools and high schools to Antipolo and Alabang in order for the Mendiola campus to be solely occupied by the college students) and the Lasallians as echopraxic?
For that reason alone, I'd stand against it. Vehemently.
I am not opposed to change as long as it is done smoothly and seamlessly. I doubt if the GS and HS will be moved elsewhere abruptly. There will most probably be a transition period of several years, during which the GS and HS in Loyola will be gradually phased out while the new GS and HS elsewhere will be phased in.
It's also possible that the GS and HS in Loyola will remain, albeit in a smaller, much more controlled-growth way, while the satellite GS and HS will be built elsewhere and gradually expanded.
I am not opposed to the latter scenario, which makes sense given the limited space in Loyola. However, I am opposed to the total elimination of the GS and HS in Loyola.
It's also possible that the GS and HS in Loyola will remain, albeit in a smaller, much more controlled-growth way, while the satellite GS and HS will be built elsewhere and gradually expanded.
I am not opposed to the latter scenario, which makes sense given the limited space in Loyola. However, I am opposed to the total elimination of the GS and HS in Loyola.
"asking UP to get rid of the squatters" so Ateneo can build an extension campus will be politically explosive, to say the least.
if you can imagine a checklist of all the elements that would make a land deal totally wrong, this one would have em all. squatters tearfully ejected from their homes, check. to make room for the facilities of an elite, private university, check. firestorm of negative publicity, check. radical UP students taking the squatters' side, check. human rights groups within Ateneo itself taking their side, check. human barricades and riot police, check. grandstanding politicians filing court cases, check. legal titles in doubt and banks scared off from financing, check. and so on.
we have enough trouble with UP already when you consider how they've already made their end of Katipunan a bottleneck with narrow roads and unresolved right of way issues. doing a land deal with them just doesn't look good.
what might work is if we could set up a joint venture institute with them on their land, so there are no legal problems. the model for this would be AIM, which is an Ateneo-La Salle joint venture. the difficulty here is finding a college we could transplant to UP that would significantly depopulate Loyola to make the transfer worthwhile.
if you can imagine a checklist of all the elements that would make a land deal totally wrong, this one would have em all. squatters tearfully ejected from their homes, check. to make room for the facilities of an elite, private university, check. firestorm of negative publicity, check. radical UP students taking the squatters' side, check. human rights groups within Ateneo itself taking their side, check. human barricades and riot police, check. grandstanding politicians filing court cases, check. legal titles in doubt and banks scared off from financing, check. and so on.
we have enough trouble with UP already when you consider how they've already made their end of Katipunan a bottleneck with narrow roads and unresolved right of way issues. doing a land deal with them just doesn't look good.
what might work is if we could set up a joint venture institute with them on their land, so there are no legal problems. the model for this would be AIM, which is an Ateneo-La Salle joint venture. the difficulty here is finding a college we could transplant to UP that would significantly depopulate Loyola to make the transfer worthwhile.
Just like our ballooning population, Ateneo alumni are making babies. They all want their kids to get into the Ateneo. To me, small is beautiful. Some colleges and universities in the States prefer to remain small. But before I give my 2 cents on the issue, I suggest that Ateneo first build a multi-level parking building between Ateneo and Miriam near gate 3. Preferably 6-level with 2 levels underground. Grow ivy on it to make it less unsightly. This will free up space especially near gate 2 so cars waiting to pick up grade school kids don't have to wait outside and block traffic. This will also make the campus look less like used-car lots. Even with the proposed transfer of GS and HS, this will still be useful to make the campus more green. Of course there will be a fee (initially I hope) to recover the investment.
In San Francisco, there is St. Ignatius Prep in one location and University of San Francisco in another. We have Regis and Fordham in New York. There are Jesuit Preps everywhere. Ateneo de Naga HS recently transferred to the foothills of Mt. Isarog (a better location) leaving the main campus solely for college. But the HS is just 15 minutes away.
Logistically (including traffic on Katipunan), I think Ateneo could still expand maybe another 50% more. Do the Jesuits want this entirely for college or for the entire population? After secondary reflection ( I learned this in philosophy hehe), BK, and nostalgic reasons aside, I think Ateneo eventually has to move its GS and HS (together I hope). Antipolo Hills looks good a location (don't know about the traffic though). It is also nearby. Since there are fewer and fewer Jesuits to spread around, we would not want satellite Preps everywhere and no Jesuits in them. Wouldn't be Atenean anymore, would it? Sadly, that is what happened to La Salle.
In San Francisco, there is St. Ignatius Prep in one location and University of San Francisco in another. We have Regis and Fordham in New York. There are Jesuit Preps everywhere. Ateneo de Naga HS recently transferred to the foothills of Mt. Isarog (a better location) leaving the main campus solely for college. But the HS is just 15 minutes away.
Logistically (including traffic on Katipunan), I think Ateneo could still expand maybe another 50% more. Do the Jesuits want this entirely for college or for the entire population? After secondary reflection ( I learned this in philosophy hehe), BK, and nostalgic reasons aside, I think Ateneo eventually has to move its GS and HS (together I hope). Antipolo Hills looks good a location (don't know about the traffic though). It is also nearby. Since there are fewer and fewer Jesuits to spread around, we would not want satellite Preps everywhere and no Jesuits in them. Wouldn't be Atenean anymore, would it? Sadly, that is what happened to La Salle.
Gee,
thanks for that. yup, we did talk about this during the football game against DLSU. I must admit, moving them out sounds logical too. when i first heard of the plan at the rockwell meeting aside from what they intend to do for the loyola campus, i thought it was fascinating. actually, some of the ideas are long overdue. i know that it's just a matter of time because they are deadset on doing this.
an off campus AGS and AHS sounds good ha. but it's not just as easy as it sounds. the advantages of moving them, however nice to hear, are just that for now. again we will never know until we try it. remember what i said about change? sure it's good but i see nothing wrong with the current Loyola set-up. why not off campus na lang yung proposed changes?
if they do move it, i wonder i'd say that it has to be mid-way between the north and south. antipolo, while nearer to the admu campus, is just out of the way for many. but then again, maraming lumipat sa Loyola Heights just to be near the school.
an old girfriend told me that when de la salle zobel was put up (her son is now enrolled in LSGH), nabawasan yung mga tisoy families na nagpunta ng la salle. instead, the began to cater to the crowd of don bosco and lourdes. speaking in english is almost non-existent there. pinagtatawanan ka if you speak in english. coņo ka raw.
if the AGS and the HS is moved, en masse sana. no satellite school. to preserve that -- well whatever it is -- that goes with being an Atenean. hey, i know what it is but i'm typing this on the run and i'm not trying to sound to intellectual or eloquent here.
but whatever happens. the firestorm is raging now.
thanks for that. yup, we did talk about this during the football game against DLSU. I must admit, moving them out sounds logical too. when i first heard of the plan at the rockwell meeting aside from what they intend to do for the loyola campus, i thought it was fascinating. actually, some of the ideas are long overdue. i know that it's just a matter of time because they are deadset on doing this.
an off campus AGS and AHS sounds good ha. but it's not just as easy as it sounds. the advantages of moving them, however nice to hear, are just that for now. again we will never know until we try it. remember what i said about change? sure it's good but i see nothing wrong with the current Loyola set-up. why not off campus na lang yung proposed changes?
if they do move it, i wonder i'd say that it has to be mid-way between the north and south. antipolo, while nearer to the admu campus, is just out of the way for many. but then again, maraming lumipat sa Loyola Heights just to be near the school.
an old girfriend told me that when de la salle zobel was put up (her son is now enrolled in LSGH), nabawasan yung mga tisoy families na nagpunta ng la salle. instead, the began to cater to the crowd of don bosco and lourdes. speaking in english is almost non-existent there. pinagtatawanan ka if you speak in english. coņo ka raw.
if the AGS and the HS is moved, en masse sana. no satellite school. to preserve that -- well whatever it is -- that goes with being an Atenean. hey, i know what it is but i'm typing this on the run and i'm not trying to sound to intellectual or eloquent here.
but whatever happens. the firestorm is raging now.
Off topic,
gee if you'll be in ADMU later. usap tayo sa football field. we have a game. just finish the work i'm doing then i'll go. but the weather sucks now, huh.
gee if you'll be in ADMU later. usap tayo sa football field. we have a game. just finish the work i'm doing then i'll go. but the weather sucks now, huh.
now that we've got a good handle on the issues involved in physically moving to a new campus, can we start limiting the discussion to the impact on the athletics programs? para naman we can fully justify this topic's continued presence in the "sports" section.
assuming only one ateneo university in the greater metropolitan area, and that this university will stay in loyola, the main issues appear to be the following:
1. tradition/loyalty/continuity/community - still the best argument for keeping everything in one place, i think. kids will be steeped the lore of ateneo sports, watch the senior games and aspire to be on the varsity, learn all the songs by heart and put up a unified front while cheering in the coliseum. split the campus and you split the culture, with no guarantee that the new school will have quite the same level of desire to win.
counterarguments - "school spirit" only really works for basketball; all other sports remain poorly supported. in any event, the women's teams seem to be fighting with exceptionally high motivation in recent years, and they certainly didn't attend grade school or high school in loyola.
2. the high school teams will probably suck big time in the first few years - this will be true whether we keep a high school presence in loyola and open a branch, or whether we transfer the high school out entirely. two schools thin the talent base, while one school in a new neighborhood risks personnel disruptions - either the athletes won't move, or the coaches won't, or both.
counterarguments - the college athletics program has been casting its net a bit wider in recruiting, so weak ateneo high school talent isn't really a big deal. and even if the talent should be spread thin between two teams - we're okay as long as they play for the university in loyola in the end.
3. the risk of building too far away - the reason zobel or southridge or benedictine abbey have such puny crowd support in organized games is that lots of people can't be bothered to make the road trip to the usual playing venues in quezon city or manila. teams with little support don't do well in tournaments, as a rule, and if players don't go far in tournaments, they won't have championship experience coming into college sports.
counterarguments - if you build near the established suburban high schools, you can probably form a district league of your own and have all the championship experience you want, although on a smaller scale.
4. the "demographics" will change - this is actually a polite way of putting it. what people really mean when they say this is, "do you remember how lame the zobel teams used to be when they were just starting out? what a bunch of country-club wimps!" teams from the far suburbs have a hard time shaking off this"soft" image, even though they do occasionally produce great players.
counterarguments - demographics will shift south in the long term. enough ateneans who go to loyola might move to the new place to form a good athletic core. and if you build that close to the Southern Tagalog provinces, there's a chance of unlocking a recruiting gold mine. think LA Tenorio playing baskeball by the beach before he was "discovered."
assuming only one ateneo university in the greater metropolitan area, and that this university will stay in loyola, the main issues appear to be the following:
1. tradition/loyalty/continuity/community - still the best argument for keeping everything in one place, i think. kids will be steeped the lore of ateneo sports, watch the senior games and aspire to be on the varsity, learn all the songs by heart and put up a unified front while cheering in the coliseum. split the campus and you split the culture, with no guarantee that the new school will have quite the same level of desire to win.
counterarguments - "school spirit" only really works for basketball; all other sports remain poorly supported. in any event, the women's teams seem to be fighting with exceptionally high motivation in recent years, and they certainly didn't attend grade school or high school in loyola.
2. the high school teams will probably suck big time in the first few years - this will be true whether we keep a high school presence in loyola and open a branch, or whether we transfer the high school out entirely. two schools thin the talent base, while one school in a new neighborhood risks personnel disruptions - either the athletes won't move, or the coaches won't, or both.
counterarguments - the college athletics program has been casting its net a bit wider in recruiting, so weak ateneo high school talent isn't really a big deal. and even if the talent should be spread thin between two teams - we're okay as long as they play for the university in loyola in the end.
3. the risk of building too far away - the reason zobel or southridge or benedictine abbey have such puny crowd support in organized games is that lots of people can't be bothered to make the road trip to the usual playing venues in quezon city or manila. teams with little support don't do well in tournaments, as a rule, and if players don't go far in tournaments, they won't have championship experience coming into college sports.
counterarguments - if you build near the established suburban high schools, you can probably form a district league of your own and have all the championship experience you want, although on a smaller scale.
4. the "demographics" will change - this is actually a polite way of putting it. what people really mean when they say this is, "do you remember how lame the zobel teams used to be when they were just starting out? what a bunch of country-club wimps!" teams from the far suburbs have a hard time shaking off this"soft" image, even though they do occasionally produce great players.
counterarguments - demographics will shift south in the long term. enough ateneans who go to loyola might move to the new place to form a good athletic core. and if you build that close to the Southern Tagalog provinces, there's a chance of unlocking a recruiting gold mine. think LA Tenorio playing baskeball by the beach before he was "discovered."
QUOTE(gee @ Jan 20 2005, 10:03 AM)
Just like our ballooning population, Ateneo alumni are making babies. They all want their kids to get into the Ateneo.
That's exactly the reason why I want to keep the GS and the HS in loyola. As someone posted earlier, having those two departments in loyola is in itself a tradition and a way of life. I think the Ateneo campus is one of the most beautiful places I've been to in my life (sounds cheesy, pero hindi ba kahit simple lang maganda naman talaga yung campus natin). I guess I just one my sons (if I ever have any) to be able to spend their GS and HS years enjoying the same things Im lucky to be enjoying now- yung mabangong hangin sa loyola, yung magandang mga umaga na sumasalubong sa kin araw araw, yung magagandang puno na minahal ko na kahit na nagdudulot sila ng katakottakot na higad, yung itsura ng bellarmine pag pasko saka yung pag reflect na rin sa steps ng Gesu tuwing hapon. Offcourse they wont get to experience that if The HS and GS is moved elsewhere. Besides Ive always held the notion that Ateneo( I mean the entire university) is loyola heights and loyola heights is Ateneo. The two should never be separated. Makakahanap yan ng paraan na mag expand without moving The GS and HS out if they really wanted to.
one of my concerns is the families living in the adjacent cities and towns who wish to send their boys to the GS and HS here in the Loyola campus. for several generations, the boys of the families living in these areas have been a tremendous source of most of the brightest Blue Eaglets to ever come to the Ateneo GS and HS.
These boys have contributed a lot to making the Ateneo GS and HS proud as one of the best, if not the best primary and secondary school in the country. sayang naman kung mapunta lang sila sa ibang GS and HS.
saka when you start 'em young sa Ateneo GS and HS, most of them wish they won't have to go elsewhere for their education. Perhaps there is something in the GS and HS that not only makes them strive to be the best that they can be, but has developed in them a strong sense of attachment to the school.
my son and nephew, for example, are graduating HS seniors of the Ateneo. Both took the ACET and UPCAT. They were both accepted this January. My son as a mgmt.-honors freshman while my nephew as an incoming computer science student. the results of the UPCAT are due in a few weeks. if given a choice, however, both my son and nephew like most of their classmates expressed a desire to stay in the Ateneo.
Clearly, we are not affected by all the talk about plans for the GS and HS to move out of the Loyola campus. However, we feel concerned for the batches to follow after my son and nephew. If we send away the GS and HS to some other place, we fear that we might have broken something that does not need any fixing. Not only is it most likely that things may never be the same again for the Ateneo GS and HS, but we somehow might have deprived succeeding batches of that environment, culture, tradition and experience in the Ateneo GS and HS. My son and nephew are fortunate to have gone through life as GS and HS students of the Ateneo that led them to where they are going. We believe that other boys after them should follow the same route in the Ateneo as we know it. We therefore appeal to those in the ADMU Board to please keep the GS and HS in the Loyola campus.
These boys have contributed a lot to making the Ateneo GS and HS proud as one of the best, if not the best primary and secondary school in the country. sayang naman kung mapunta lang sila sa ibang GS and HS.
saka when you start 'em young sa Ateneo GS and HS, most of them wish they won't have to go elsewhere for their education. Perhaps there is something in the GS and HS that not only makes them strive to be the best that they can be, but has developed in them a strong sense of attachment to the school.
my son and nephew, for example, are graduating HS seniors of the Ateneo. Both took the ACET and UPCAT. They were both accepted this January. My son as a mgmt.-honors freshman while my nephew as an incoming computer science student. the results of the UPCAT are due in a few weeks. if given a choice, however, both my son and nephew like most of their classmates expressed a desire to stay in the Ateneo.
Clearly, we are not affected by all the talk about plans for the GS and HS to move out of the Loyola campus. However, we feel concerned for the batches to follow after my son and nephew. If we send away the GS and HS to some other place, we fear that we might have broken something that does not need any fixing. Not only is it most likely that things may never be the same again for the Ateneo GS and HS, but we somehow might have deprived succeeding batches of that environment, culture, tradition and experience in the Ateneo GS and HS. My son and nephew are fortunate to have gone through life as GS and HS students of the Ateneo that led them to where they are going. We believe that other boys after them should follow the same route in the Ateneo as we know it. We therefore appeal to those in the ADMU Board to please keep the GS and HS in the Loyola campus.
hopefully, this nice little song will convince the board to reconsider:
WE stand on A HILL
between the earth and sky
now all is still WHERE LOYOLA'S COLORS FLY
our course is run and the setting sun
ends ateneo's day
eyes are dry at the least goodbye
this is the ateneo way...
mary, for you
for your white and blue
we pray you'll keep us mary constantly true
we pray you'll keep us mary faithful to you...
DOWN FROM THE HILL
DOWN TO THE WORLD go I
rememb'ring still
how the bright blue eagles fly
through joy and tears
through the laughing years
WE sing OUR battle song
win or lose, it's THE SCHOOL we choose
THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE BELONG!
this ditty will not mean as much if this crazy idea pushes through.
WE stand on A HILL
between the earth and sky
now all is still WHERE LOYOLA'S COLORS FLY
our course is run and the setting sun
ends ateneo's day
eyes are dry at the least goodbye
this is the ateneo way...
mary, for you
for your white and blue
we pray you'll keep us mary constantly true
we pray you'll keep us mary faithful to you...
DOWN FROM THE HILL
DOWN TO THE WORLD go I
rememb'ring still
how the bright blue eagles fly
through joy and tears
through the laughing years
WE sing OUR battle song
win or lose, it's THE SCHOOL we choose
THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE BELONG!
this ditty will not mean as much if this crazy idea pushes through.
Peking Man, thanks for trying to broaden the scope of this discussion. but regarding the placement of this in the sports forum, we were planning a separate section for issues such as this but recent developments forced me to jump the gun here. and this being the most high profile of all the forums, it is the best place for it. for now. when the new section is up, this will be moved. and since i happen to be the mod here, with all due respect, i can pretty much put it where i please. 
before we move on to the basketball part, so that you all know. the Yulos offered Canlubang to Ateneo years ago. as much as Ateneo wanted it, we weren't ready to begin around the time they wanted. so La Salle took over like 100 hectares of land for a new DLSU system school. the move of the AGS and AHS is nothing new for those not in the know. but there is a move to do it sooner than expected. again, this is going to cost a lot of money so it won't happen anytime soon. but once the paperwork has been done, signatures affixed, then it moves.
in the recent 50th Anniversary of the AGS, there was no mention of this, that's why this has caught many people by surprise. as i mentioned earlier, it is not part of the 150th anniversary plan, but it was mentioned to the batch reps in the meeting at rockwell about a month ago.
well, those heavily involved in the alumni work/board will be checking this out. spoke to one of the big guns just now, and they'll be checking for all info here. rest assured, the moment i get anymore, it'll be posted here.
now on to the basketball aspect or anything else anyone has to offer.
before we move on to the basketball part, so that you all know. the Yulos offered Canlubang to Ateneo years ago. as much as Ateneo wanted it, we weren't ready to begin around the time they wanted. so La Salle took over like 100 hectares of land for a new DLSU system school. the move of the AGS and AHS is nothing new for those not in the know. but there is a move to do it sooner than expected. again, this is going to cost a lot of money so it won't happen anytime soon. but once the paperwork has been done, signatures affixed, then it moves.
in the recent 50th Anniversary of the AGS, there was no mention of this, that's why this has caught many people by surprise. as i mentioned earlier, it is not part of the 150th anniversary plan, but it was mentioned to the batch reps in the meeting at rockwell about a month ago.
well, those heavily involved in the alumni work/board will be checking this out. spoke to one of the big guns just now, and they'll be checking for all info here. rest assured, the moment i get anymore, it'll be posted here.
now on to the basketball aspect or anything else anyone has to offer.
"now on to the basketball aspect" - ha ha, not even bothering to pretend you're concerned about the other sports, are you, BK?
but seriously, a Canlubang location could trigger a renaissance in the "outdoor" sports. there's a good chance the new campus will lack an indoor sports center at the outset because building funds will need to be be focused on classrooms. (i don't think the example of the Loyola Center being the first building on the current campus will ever be replicated). if they're left with open fields, that could just lead the kids to take advantage of the available grounds and get into football or baseball or track. isama mo na rin yung trekking or mountain biking siguro if they're inclined to set up adventure-sports clubs, because there are so many trails nearby.
Maverick, who was among the first batches to attend a recently-established school in the south of Manila, says that's exactly what happened - his school became a football powerhouse almost as soon as it opened its doors, because that was just about the only game the early batches played.
also, let us not forget that baseball has a strong tradition in Canlubang, and the whole of Southern Luzon for that matter - a likely legacy of the long American naval presence in Cavite. baseball's just the kind of game you play if you're on a sugar plantation with lots of time on your hands (although in Negros and Iloilo, where the plantation managers were European, the game that took root was football). i'm just hoping the PlayStation generation doesn't blow its chance by staying indoors, though.
but seriously, a Canlubang location could trigger a renaissance in the "outdoor" sports. there's a good chance the new campus will lack an indoor sports center at the outset because building funds will need to be be focused on classrooms. (i don't think the example of the Loyola Center being the first building on the current campus will ever be replicated). if they're left with open fields, that could just lead the kids to take advantage of the available grounds and get into football or baseball or track. isama mo na rin yung trekking or mountain biking siguro if they're inclined to set up adventure-sports clubs, because there are so many trails nearby.
Maverick, who was among the first batches to attend a recently-established school in the south of Manila, says that's exactly what happened - his school became a football powerhouse almost as soon as it opened its doors, because that was just about the only game the early batches played.
also, let us not forget that baseball has a strong tradition in Canlubang, and the whole of Southern Luzon for that matter - a likely legacy of the long American naval presence in Cavite. baseball's just the kind of game you play if you're on a sugar plantation with lots of time on your hands (although in Negros and Iloilo, where the plantation managers were European, the game that took root was football). i'm just hoping the PlayStation generation doesn't blow its chance by staying indoors, though.
why not move the seminary out na lang instead of the GS and HS? Priesthood needs a good and quiet environment...antipolo would be a good place.
it won't do much decongestion on the traffic side, i'm afraid. seminarians don't own cars. but now that you mention it, LHS and San Jose could be good for dorms and classrooms...
bwahaha. no i didn't forget the other sports. hey, i was a football player first before anything.
i was going to say of course, they have cars. fr. holscher has nice looking one. then i realized he isn't a seminarian. bwahaha
i was going to say of course, they have cars. fr. holscher has nice looking one. then i realized he isn't a seminarian. bwahaha
no, holscher was a motorcycle dude, remember? he used to park his chopper outside the high school administration building when he was admissions director.
let me just say that the quality of basketball in the covered courts will likely suffer if the seminarians ever move out. those guys were great pickup players. they won lots of games in my time. it's amazing how good you can be in sports if you have to channel all your... uhm ... energy into it.
let me just say that the quality of basketball in the covered courts will likely suffer if the seminarians ever move out. those guys were great pickup players. they won lots of games in my time. it's amazing how good you can be in sports if you have to channel all your... uhm ... energy into it.
QUOTE(Bleachers King @ Jan 21 2005, 12:46 AM)
bwahaha. no i didn't forget the other sports. hey, i was a football player first before anything.
i was going to say of course, they have cars. fr. holscher has nice looking one. then i realized he isn't a seminarian. bwahaha
i was going to say of course, they have cars. fr. holscher has nice looking one. then i realized he isn't a seminarian. bwahaha
BK,
How did the nick "Baka" come about"?
canmaker,
mahirap na mag-explain about "baka." baka magalit. by the way, Fr. Holscher is very active here in the forums. go figure where and who.
mahirap na mag-explain about "baka." baka magalit. by the way, Fr. Holscher is very active here in the forums. go figure where and who.
QUOTE(peking man @ Jan 20 2005, 05:58 PM)
Maverick, who was among the first batches to attend a recently-established school in the south of Manila, says that's exactly what happened - his school became a football powerhouse almost as soon as it opened its doors, because that was just about the only game the early batches played.
Peking Man and BK,
Greetings, my brothers!
Among the benefits of going to school in the south of Manila was that you grew up with all these wide open spaces around you. Football was the preferred game in that neck of the woods, partly because there weren't too many gyms around. In my particular school, we had fields all around but no basketball court. To play basketball, we had to take the school bus or walk a mile or so to the next subdivision to use their outdoor court. When they cleared the forest in front of the school, they put in a football field and that's the sport you played not only for PE but also before classes began and during lunch. In fact, I even remember a time when the trees were cleared but the field had no grass yet, when we actually played rugby.
I guess the availability of more real estate in the south and the migration of the so-called "tisoy" population to Alabang in the 70's made football a natural sport for schools in that area. I remember talking to Peking Man years ago about our Southern Theory -- that schools south of the Pasig River tend to be more football oriented while the northern schools are more into basketball. As proof of the southern theory, you could cite San Agustin, Don Bosco, Southridge, La Salle-Zobel (a.k.a., La Salle South some time ago) -- all footie hotbeds with almost no reputation for b-ball tradition until Zobel entered the UAAP. In fact, Zobel's entry into the UAAP mildly upset the living arrangements in the south. Southern schools lived in a fringe league where we competed amongst ourselves. We were, for the most part, smaller free-standing high schools with no identifiable college affiliations. We had our own rivalries and took on the bigger schools north of the Pasig once in a while. We evolved our own cultures which were pretty much distinct from the older and bigger schools.
The south had its own ways and its own codes. Growing up, you couldn't identify DLS- Zobel with DLS-Taft or LS-Greenhills. Moreso with Benedictine Abbey School. Somehow, their San Beda connection was not apparent then. I suspect that the same would happen to an Ateneo in Canlubang or Santa Rosa -- you can try as much as possible to replicate the Loyola experience there but it will never be the same. The "demographics" will be totally different. They will evolve their own codes, traditions and secret passwords which the Loyola folk will never understand.
But, I think the growth of Manila is moving southwards. For one thing, there's just more open space there. Aside from furthering Ateneo's claim to being a true football powerhouse and branching into other outdoor sports like baseball (I recall seeing farmworkers in Canlubang spending their Sundays playing baseball in an empty field), a southern campus may even be good for the boys since there's more clean air and space out there. Your boys will have a better chance of growing robust and hardy!
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