allblue
Nov 4 2004, 02:01 PM
just saw the pic at the front page and decided to get one. it rocks!! ang ganda! coat of arms on the ticzon jersey is embroidered and and the numbers are stitched, not just printed. plus, it's not as common as the other ateneo jerseys we see today. check it out!
i think it's a great way to also honor all those who played for the Ateneo even though they were not successful in bringing home a crown to loyola. it's like having your own piece of that part of Ateneo basketball history.
BlueEagle_the_King
Nov 4 2004, 02:14 PM
yeah! i'd like to get one too!... it's a perfect christmas gift for all your atenean friends and relatives
Mother Goose
Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
Galing nga. Want the Hizon jersey. Placed my order na. Heard that it's a limited edition thing so for those interested order na. Have placed an advance order for a Watson jersey too.
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 4 2004, 02:16 PM
AB,
Got 2 jerseys also. Very good quality! Good value for money! Very premium! A lot better than those being sold at the A-Shop!
Advise those who are interested to purchase already reserve because these items are selling very fast. I was informed that these jerseys are out only for a very limited quantity.
5FootCarrot
Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM
Mother mentioned that she placed an advance order for a Watson jersey. I take it there are plans to come out with replica jerseys of other players?
allblue
Nov 4 2004, 02:27 PM
QUOTE(5FootCarrot @ Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM)
Mother mentioned that she placed an advance order for a Watson jersey. I take it there are plans to come out with replica jerseys of other players?
carrot, i think there are already replica jerseys for other Ateneo players in the works. i also reserved for a steve watson jersey. i know they are only making limited editions for each player so it's really a premium item.
BlueEagle_the_King, you're right. it would make a great gift for all Ateneo hoops junkies.
Out, I agree! these are much better than the other Ateneo jerseys we see.
5FootCarrot
Nov 4 2004, 02:38 PM
QUOTE(allblue @ Nov 4 2004, 06:27 AM)
carrot, i think there are already replica jerseys for other Ateneo players in the works.
Once the names in the next batch of jerseys have been selected, please let us know

*hopes that the next batch includes someone from her era*
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 4 2004, 02:39 PM
QUOTE(allblue @ Nov 4 2004, 02:27 PM)
QUOTE(5FootCarrot @ Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM)
Mother mentioned that she placed an advance order for a Watson jersey. I take it there are plans to come out with replica jerseys of other players?
carrot, i think there are already replica jerseys for other Ateneo players in the works. i also reserved for a steve watson jersey. i know they are only making limited editions for each player so it's really a premium item.
BlueEagle_the_King, you're right. it would make a great gift for all Ateneo hoops junkies.
Out, I agree! these are much better than the other Ateneo jerseys we see.
The names and numbers are all stitched unlike those jerseys in A-shop.
The items are selling FAST!
Bleachers King
Nov 4 2004, 03:42 PM
nampotcha. where can i get these? wow!
joescoundrel
Nov 4 2004, 03:51 PM
Gotten these two already people. Nadagdagan na naman ng milyong pogi points ang kagandahang lalaki ko. Are there any other replicas on the way? How's about Danny Francisco jerseys?
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 4 2004, 05:00 PM
QUOTE(joescoundrel @ Nov 4 2004, 03:51 PM)
Nadagdagan na naman ng milyong pogi points ang kagandahang lalaki ko.
Joe,
Parang nakikinita ko na. Medyo hawig na kayo ng kuko ni Vince Hizon at paa ni Richie Ticzon. He he he. Bro, pasensiya ka na. Miss lang kita.
joescoundrel
Nov 4 2004, 05:40 PM
Out, ok lang 'yan. Papa-dinner ka naman e, har-har! Dapat sama ka na lang sa mga dining out ni Legal, sagot mo ako siempre.
Pero in fairness talaga sa iba dito, upang kayo'y maging kasing kisig ni Joescoundrel, dapat may Ticzon and Hizon replica jerseys din kayo! Si Out nga dose-dosena ng bibilhin para lang mapantasan ang gandang lalaki ko.
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 4 2004, 05:42 PM
Joe,
APRUB!!!!
Feeling Blue
Nov 4 2004, 11:30 PM
How about replica jerseys of the prominent players from the "Spirit of 69" NCAA Seniors Men's Basketball Championship Team:
5 - Chito Afable
6 - Francis Arnaiz
7 - Jun Ross
9 - Ricky Palou
11 - Baby Boy Morales
14 - Marte Samson
15 - Joy Cleofas
Hope to stir interest from the more senior members of atenista.net
Gee, you can start to get the ball rolling!
arhtmahn
Nov 5 2004, 02:42 AM
thanks to those who already own or have ordered the replica jerseys of Vince Hizon and Ritchie Ticzon. thanks to those who noticed the embroidered coat of arms and the stitching. most of all, thanks to those who appreciate Ateneo Basketball history.
Vince and Ritchie did not win a UAAP championship but they were among our brave torchbearers during the Dark Years of Ateneo Basketball. we thank them for kindly lending their names to this exercise, a humble portion of which will be given to a segment of the Ateneo Basketball Program. this is a simple case of past warriors trying to help out, in a modest way, the current crop of striving young warriors.
these jerseys are faithful in design to the ones used by Vince and Ritchie. yes, they are limited in quantity and, yes, they exponentially add pogi or ganda points to the wearer, but not enough to approximate joescoundrel. now that the cat is out of the bag, yes, more retro jerseys will be coming out soon.
let me just say that it feels good to be in a community that has a sense of history, honoring those who gallantly represent us, present or past, win or lose. spread the word, people, tell the young ones that we now enjoy the heights simply because we stand on the shoulders of giants, among them Vince Hizon and Ritchie Ticzon.
nga pala, muntik ko nang makalimutan. if any of you want any of the jerseys please text me at 09178943507 so I can confirm if we still have the size you need. Salamat ulit.
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 5 2004, 08:56 AM
QUOTE(arhtmahn @ Nov 5 2004, 02:42 AM)
thanks to those who already own or have ordered the replica jerseys of Vince Hizon and Ritchie Ticzon. thanks to those who noticed the embroidered coat of arms and the stitching. most of all, thanks to those who appreciate Ateneo Basketball history.
Vince and Ritchie did not win a UAAP championship but they were among our brave torchbearers during the Dark Years of Ateneo Basketball. we thank them for kindly lending their names to this exercise, a humble portion of which will be given to a segment of the Ateneo Basketball Program. this is a simple case of past warriors trying to help out, in a modest way, the current crop of striving young warriors.
these jerseys are faithful in design to the ones used by Vince and Ritchie. yes, they are limited in quantity and, yes, they exponentially add pogi or ganda points to the wearer, but not enough to approximate joescoundrel. now that the cat is out of the bag, yes, more retro jerseys will be coming out soon.
let me just say that it feels good to be in a community that has a sense of history, honoring those who gallantly represent us, present or past, win or lose. spread the word, people, tell the young ones that we now enjoy the heights simply because we stand on the shoulders of giants, among them Vince Hizon and Ritchie Ticzon.
nga pala, muntik ko nang makalimutan. if any of you want any of the jerseys please text me at 09178943507 so I can confirm if we still have the size you need. Salamat ulit.
Very well said arhtmahn so these are really authentic official replicas huh? How many more Hizon and Ticzon jerseys are left? I suggest that you call out for a list for those who are still interested to reserve. I have gotten 2 already and I am still interested to purchase 4 more for some friends of mine.
Reserve na kayo. Ako na lang kaya magstart ng reservation list:
1. Out of the Blue - 2 Hizon + 2 Ticzon
2.
3.
tuan
Nov 5 2004, 09:07 AM
Could I get prices and sizes please? I'd like to get a couple for myself and a friend. I understand na limited stocks lang, mahirap na baka maubusan.
Out_of_the_Blue
Nov 5 2004, 09:19 AM
Tuan,
I think it's P 795 per jersey. Free size lang muna available.
Bleachers King
Nov 5 2004, 09:21 AM
hey guys! finally got my jerseys today. how's that for instant delivery. got the ticzon jersey. man, sulit to. can't wait for the others.
hmm. wonder if they have a moro lorenzo.
jc_superstar
Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM
aside from hizon and ticzon, ano pang jerseys meron?
Ron Jeremy
Nov 5 2004, 12:28 PM
I second Feeling blue's post.
I heard that all jerseys were personally approved by the players themselves. In that case, I would like to get a jersey each of the following Ateneo legends: Francis Arnaiz, Jun Ross, Steve Watson, Padim Israel, Joy Carpio and Jojo Lastimosa.
I heard that Olsen Racela is managed by Chiqui Paterno and the group that handles the ABL. Would they be willing to forego profit and allow the use/release of his jersey, afterall, this project is for a worthy cause.
To artmahn: Great idea guys!
joescoundrel
Nov 5 2004, 03:45 PM
Ethanboy wants to know if there are kiddie sizes of the Ticzon and Hizon jerseys. ArhtMan?
Ghostrider
Nov 7 2004, 04:52 PM
QUOTE(Out_of_the_Blue @ Nov 5 2004, 12:56 AM)
Very well said arhtmahn so these are really authentic official replicas huh? How many more Hizon and Ticzon jerseys are left? I suggest that you call out for a list for those who are still interested to reserve. I have gotten 2 already and I am still interested to purchase 4 more for some friends of mine.
Reserve na kayo. Ako na lang kaya magstart ng reservation list:
1. Out of the Blue - 2 Hizon + 2 Ticzon
2.
3.
2. Ghostrider - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
3.
4.
arhtmahn
Nov 8 2004, 06:39 AM
thanks everybody from here and abroad for the fantastic response to the jerseys. local deliveries are no problem but we will have to make special arrangements for overseas deliveries to those in Australia and the US/Canada.
sizes come in Medium, Large and Extra Large but the jerseys are a size larger than the ABL uniform. the equivalent of an Extra Large ABL unifrom is only a Large jersey. price is PhP795.00, regardless of size. we have received requests for women's cut and kids' sizes and we will come out with these for the upcoming designs. there are just a few remaining Hizon and Ticzon jerseys left and no decision has been made to come out with a second production run yet.
watch out for the jerseys of the '60s and 70's NCAA Champion teams standouts. they'll be coming out very soon.
salamat ulit sa lahat.
joescoundrel
Nov 8 2004, 09:27 AM
Got my two jerseys already, and as usual, lalong nagibayo ang aking nag-uumapaw ng kagandahang lalaki. Diyosme, ang galing-galing naman nung gumawa nun, saludo ako kay ArhtMan, matindi ka pre! I pointed out to those who were stopping me to pose for photographs where they can get their jerseys.
jc_superstar
Nov 8 2004, 11:29 AM
is there an olsen racela jersey? i'd like to buy one for my girlfriend since she's always going gaga over him.
allblue
Nov 8 2004, 11:39 AM
Just fixing the list. Let's just cut and paste so it's clearer.
1. Out of the Blue - 2 Hizon + 2 Ticzon
2. Ghostrider - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
3. allblue - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
arhtmahn, can you give us an idea of how many more per size are available. Also, any chance you are coming up with an Arnaiz jersey? Hanep yun! Maybe you can post the picture of the jerseys here on the thread.
Best of luck to you.
tweety
Nov 8 2004, 12:51 PM
Just fixing the list. Let's just cut and paste so it's clearer.
1. Out of the Blue - 2 Hizon + 2 Ticzon
2. Ghostrider - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
3. allblue - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
4. tweety- 1 Ticzon + 1 Arnaiz
Please PM me re details of pick-up/delivery.
Thanks.
Out_of_the_Blue
Dec 3 2004, 02:05 PM
Saw the jerseys of Watson, Arnaiz, and Laterre in the Bazaar last weekend.
The white all-stitched Gaston and Watson jerseys looked very original and premium. Looked very well specially when Mhel Garrido wore the Watson jersey in the Halikanu event that night. (Nagcontrast ang color! ha ha).
The white Arnaiz jersey's my favorite. The enhancement using the air cool material was the magic touch that added justice to the name "Arnaiz" at the back of the jersey - Very nice indeed!
I noticed that the Laterre jersey was the same jersey Zion uses in the Team B tournaments. Noticed also that it's the only jersey that has a rubberized design. I was told that it is actually the biggest seller in the batch even when it was placed alongside the legends jerseys. The unique "A" design on the collar and the side blue stripes make it distinct and different from the usual A-Shop rubberized jerseys.
I also saw the all-stitched Gonzales, Villanueva, and Alvarez jerseys - very premium and different compared to the rubberized versions that A-Shop used to sell.
The quality of the jerseys indeed gives value to their prices which are reasonable. Good work guys! Reserve 2 more Arnaiz jerseys for me!
Ron Jeremy
Dec 3 2004, 04:59 PM
Yes! Saw them at the bazaar last saturday. Collectors' item talaga since unlike the A-shop jerseys, it will not deteriorate with every washing.
My Fonacier A-shop jersey started peeling when the helper made a mistake with either the washing or the ironing.
To update the list:
1. Out of the Blue - 2 Hizon + 2 Ticzon
2. Ghostrider - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
3. allblue - 1 Hizon + 1 Ticzon
4. tweety- 1 Ticzon + 1 Arnaiz
5. Ron Jeremy - 1 Watson (astig!) and 1 Arnaiz
PM delivery and payment details.
greenminded
Dec 3 2004, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(arhtmahn @ Nov 7 2004, 10:39 PM)
sizes come in Medium, Large and Extra Large but the jerseys are a size larger than the ABL uniform. the equivalent of an Extra Large ABL unifrom is only a Large jersey. price is PhP795.00, regardless of size. we have received requests for women's cut and kids' sizes and we will come out with these for the upcoming designs. there are just a few remaining Hizon and Ticzon jerseys left and no decision has been made to come out with a second production run yet.
Hope the exact size measurements of the jerseys would be posted such as size 42, 44, 46, etc. so that the client would be receiving their preferred sizes kaysa magkamali pa. A LARGE size for a certain tailor maybe different from another tailor. Just my take.
marlorustia
Dec 5 2004, 09:33 PM
first of all, thanks to arhtmahn for letting me use his account while mine was being sorted out. now that i am back on line, i would like to personally thank everybody, especially the Team B Boosters, for the very positive response to all the retro jerseys. in addition to the Hizon and Ticzon jerseys, the Arnaiz, Watson, Gaston, Alvarez, Gonzales and Villanueva were finally put on sale last weekend at the Eagles of Hope Bazaar at the Ateneo College Covered courts.
remember when then Houston Rockets coach, Rudy T, said, "Never underestimate the heart of a champion!" after they won their second consecutive NBA championship in 1995? he was obviously referring to the fighting heart of the team, their determination to succeed and overcome. Mssrs. Arnaiz, Watson, Gaston, Alvarez, Gonzales and Villanueva are now showing us that we should also never underestimate the hearts of champions in their capacity for generosity. To a man, they have graciously entrusted their prestigious names to a group of no-names like myself in our effort to make a difference in our chosen segment of the Ateneo Basketball Program. thank you gentlemen, its is noble CHAMPIONS like you who truly define the word.
thanks for the support out_of_the_blue. i am almost sure that you were among those wearing the Arnaiz jersey at the Homecoming last night. also sighted were the Watson, Gonzales and Laterre jerseys. speaking of Lattere's jersey, yes it is true that his was among the top three sellers at the bazaar together with the Arnaiz and Alvarez jerseys. to those who have purchased or ordered more than two jerseys per design like out_of_the_blue, please bear with us if we are quite particular about who the end users will be. since all these jerseys are on a very limited run, we would like them to end up with genuine fans, Ateneans and non-Ateneans, who will wear them proudly as their colors. the last thing we want is for a jersey to remain unused after purchase, carefully preserved in a closet somewhere, only to be taken out later and auctioned off for profit.
i have been asked if the jerseys are authentic or replicas. i had to educate myself about the difference and the conclusion is they are replicas. the designs we used are faithful to the originals: Arnaiz's 1969 NCAA Champion; Gaston and Watson's 1976 NCAA Champion; Ticzon's 1989 UAAP Rookie; Hizon's 1993 UAAP Rookie; Alvarez's 2000 UAAP Most Valuable Player; Gonzales and Villanueva's 2002 UAAP Champion. for them to be authentic we would have had to use the original materials and include their respective sponsors logos. for practical purposes we took liberties with the materials and decided not include any other logos other than our own.
all the jerseys are now available in sizes from Small to XXLarge as well as a single baby-t type size for women. Watson/Gaston/Arnaiz are P895@, Hizon/Ticzon/Alvarez/Gonzales/Villanueva are P795@ and Laterre is P650@. we have had numerous requests for kids'sizes as well as for the jerseys of other players particularly Jun Reyes, Danny Francisco and Olsen Racela. we will come out with kids' sizes soon and as much as we want to come out with the other players' jerseys we are still in the process of obtaining their personal approvals.
that's all for now boys and girls. for any inquiries please SMS/call me at 09178943507. also please PM me direct, nakakahiya na kay arhtmahn.
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 5 2004, 09:45 PM
I was an usherette during the alumni homecoming. I just happened to usher this group of guys in jerseys. Three of them were wearing Arnaiz jerseys. Ang ganda ng design. I wanted nga to ask them where they got it but I was too shy to do so.
My mom is a huge Alvarez fan. I wonder when I could possibly get one for her.
BlueEagle_the_King
Dec 7 2004, 09:37 AM
Got myself a jersey of Ritchie "Blue Velvet" Ticzon #11!
He got his monicker because of his shooting prowess. I remember that he has mastered the running jumper... and more often than not, he shoots it beyond the arc!
Galing talaga!

+AMDG
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 7 2004, 10:42 AM
My mom's a happy girl today.

She finally got her Alvarez!
Code Blue
Dec 7 2004, 10:51 AM
Hey guys,
I got my Gaston and Laterre jerseys today and they are really nice. The Gaston jersey material is cotton knit and not the usual jersey material used today. I think it really does bring back memories of the past... even the lettering is in dark midnight blue as opposed to today's royal blue.
PINEFOREST: I got my brother the Alvarez jersey and its one of the best so far. My brother is a true Alvarez fan (just like your mom ) and insisted i get it ASAP as he wants to wear it to Shell's game this Wednesday!
I hope to see you fellow hardcore fans donning these jerseys as we continue to support the Blue and White!
+AMDG
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 7 2004, 10:55 AM
My mom's so smitten over him. She's much more of a fangirl than I am.

I'm waiting for the Olsen Racela jerseys (if magkakaroon!).
Code Blue, I got my mom's jersey yesterday. When did you get yours?
Code Blue
Dec 7 2004, 11:01 AM
Pineforest,
I just got mine today. Haven't been to the forums in a while and was surprised to see that more replica jerseys were available so i made arrangements right away to order them.
I advice all Alvarez fans to get one... this will probably be the best Alvarez jersey ever.
At least your mom has taste... Rich is not only an outstanding player but an outstanding person as well.
+AMDG
BlueEagle_the_King
Dec 7 2004, 11:06 AM
Code Blue,
yeah. the jerseys are really great! have you seen the arnaiz jersey?
Next year, I can't wait for the Fonacier jersey! 3 and a half months nalang, officially Ateneo Legend na si Larry! hehe.
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 7 2004, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(Code Blue @ Dec 7 2004, 11:01 AM)
Pineforest,
I just got mine today. Haven't been to the forums in a while and was surprised to see that more replica jerseys were available so i made arrangements right away to order them.
I advice all Alvarez fans to get one... this will probably be the best Alvarez jersey ever.
At least your mom has taste... Rich is not only an outstanding player but an outstanding person as well.
+AMDG
Interesting how my mom got so smitten over Rich without knowing that it was him. Two years ago, the car acted up when she was about to pick me up from school. Rich helped her with her car.
During the UAAP season, when she saw him on TV, she was like, "Oh my God! That's the guy who helped me!" Simula noon, she became a fangirl na rin. Hehehe!
You're GiantNRS2's batchmate, right?
5FootCarrot
Dec 7 2004, 01:47 PM
Aww, what a sweet story, PFC! Rich really is a great guy, both on and off the court

And just so I am not accused of making off-topic posts

I just want to say that I got a Zion Laterre jersey at the bazaar and can't wait to wear it to a game. (Yes, I will pay for it before I put it on.

)
I want to be one of those wearing a Laterre jersey to his first UAAP game! *crosses fingers*
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 7 2004, 02:47 PM
If Olsen's jersey won't be available, I'd want a Laterre too! Carrot, we'll watch them together!
Code Blue
Dec 8 2004, 08:41 AM
QUOTE(BlueEagle_the_King @ Dec 7 2004, 11:06 AM)
Code Blue,
yeah. the jerseys are really great! have you seen the arnaiz jersey?
Next year, I can't wait for the Fonacier jersey! 3 and a half months nalang, officially Ateneo Legend na si Larry! hehe.

BETK,
No, I haven't seen the Arnaiz jersey. Pineforest says its really good but I decided to go with Gaston as he was the coach of the Blue Eagles during my time.
I already have a Larry jersey from 2003 and I got the 2004 Aguilar rookie jersey. I have the 2002 Andrew Cruz jersey from the championship season. My jersey collection is growing pretty fast so I plan to wear them more often to the games. Before, I only wore the jerseys for good luck to Ateneo-Lasalle games.
+AMDG
Code Blue
Dec 8 2004, 08:58 AM
QUOTE(Pineforest Crunch @ Dec 7 2004, 11:52 AM)
I Interesting how my mom got so smitten over Rich without knowing that it was him. Two years ago, the car acted up when she was about to pick me up from school. Rich helped her with her car.
During the UAAP season, when she saw him on TV, she was like, "Oh my God! That's the guy who helped me!" Simula noon, she became a fangirl na rin. Hehehe!
You're GiantNRS2's batchmate, right?

Pineforest,
Interesting story about rich and your mom... i bet after your post a thousand fangirls suddenly developed engine problems hoping rich will pop up and help them out too!
Giant is a batch ahead of me. I knew him from high school pa. It was funny seeing him again in the sweltering heat of the Arellano gym. Imagine running into someone you haven't seen in ages in of all places the Arellano gym... its gotta be hardcore basketball!
+AMDG
Cubao Fleahouse
Dec 8 2004, 10:39 AM
i got tibo watson's jersey, the original #44. cool. waaay cool.
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 8 2004, 11:04 AM
QUOTE(Code Blue @ Dec 8 2004, 08:58 AM)
QUOTE(Pineforest Crunch @ Dec 7 2004, 11:52 AM)
Interesting how my mom got so smitten over Rich without knowing that it was him. Two years ago, the car acted up when she was about to pick me up from school. Rich helped her with her car.
During the UAAP season, when she saw him on TV, she was like, "Oh my God! That's the guy who helped me!" Simula noon, she became a fangirl na rin. Hehehe!
You're GiantNRS2's batchmate, right?

Pineforest,
Interesting story about rich and your mom... i bet after your post a thousand fangirls suddenly developed engine problems hoping rich will pop up and help them out too!
Giant is a batch ahead of me. I knew him from high school pa. It was funny seeing him again in the sweltering heat of the Arellano gym. Imagine running into someone you haven't seen in ages in of all places the Arellano gym... its gotta be hardcore basketball!
+AMDG
Hahaha! My mom's dying to meet him again. I swear, my dad always grumbles about her swooning over him kasi wala nang ginawa kundi titigan yung pics ko with Rich two seasons ago. Damn she's turning Lasallite into envy.

And to top it all off, Rich even asked her "I hope you're not running late for class." Rats! He thought she was a student!
Anyway, I'm going off-topic.
5FootCarrot
Dec 8 2004, 11:15 AM
*smells an OT post*
*turns into she-hulk*
RAWRRRR! CARROT SMASH! CARROT DELETE POST!
Just kidding.
Pineforest Crunch
Dec 8 2004, 11:36 AM
Yuck, Carrot. It's GREEN. *gets alcohol from purse and douses herself*
Loko lang.

Anyway, I honestly find the fabric of the Gaston and Watson too heavy. Parang ang init.

When I saw them first at the Eagles of Hope bazaar I told my friend "Pare, gusto ko yan na ang wedding dress ko." Hehe.
paralusi
Dec 8 2004, 12:15 PM
would anyone care to post images of the other jerseys (arnaiz, gonzales, alvarez, etc)?
thanks.
john_paul_manahan
Dec 9 2004, 10:22 PM
ipon ako... interesado... sana may epok...
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