It's a well known fact Ateneans are well-represented in Philippine government, both in the present as well as in the past.

As far as business is concerned, who are some of the famous past and present Ateneans? Please name them.

I can name some to start the thread -

Vicente Jayme, former President of PDCP

Jaime Virata, former Finance Minister (can't remember his contribution in the private sector)

Jose Fernandez, former BSP Governor (can't remember his private sector contribution)

Manny Pangilinan, President of PLDT

etc.

etc.

etc.

Jose Yulo, Owner of Canlubang Estates, etc.

Eugenio Lopez, Sr., (Original) Owner of Meralco, ABS-CBN, etc.

Jose Tuazon, Owner(?)of La Vista Subdivision and other business ventures

Plus many others.

I'll be back.

Victorio Soliven. He was a scholar of Ateneo, he started out as a shoe shine boy. I'm close to his sons,they mentioned it. Mr. Soliven used to tell us that he owed a lot to Ateneo. He now owns the big real estate firm V.V.Soliven.

Also the Escaler brothers. Former major stockholders of PHINMA Corp. However, most of their assets were transferred out of the country before the Erap administration.

Cecilio Pedro - Lamoiyan Corp. (Hapee, kutitap, etc.) In my book, he's the one Ateneans should emulate - A true entrepreneur

TonyBoy Cojuangco - formerly of PLDT, now of Bank of Commerce

Octavio Espiritu - former chief of FEBTC

Ramon Ilusorio - Multinational Investment Bancorp. (self-made man, owns the building with the same name along Ayala Ave.)

Xavier Loinaz - BPI

Luis Lorenzo Jr. - Lapanday Holdings, (former owners of Pepsi)

Frederick Go - Robinson's Land

(i'll be back for some more, btw - this list would probably be endless, there are a lot of very successful Ateneans in business who'd rather keep a low profile)

might as well add the oldies:

Gabriel Singson - former BSP head

Andres Soriano - the original SMC boss

Gregorio Araneta - the Araneta Group's patriarch

I found this in PEx.


Originally posted by Exterminator

UPDATED on April 30, 2002

PARTIAL LIST OF ATENEANS IN GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS


POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT: (Recent Past/Present)

Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, President of the Philippines

Teofisto Guingona, Vice-President of the Philippines; former Senator

Fidel Ramos, Former President of the Phlippines

Joseph Estrada, Former President of the Philippines

Emmanuel Pelaez, Former Vice President of the Philippines; Ambassador to the USA

Raul Manglapus, Former Senator of the Philippines

Juan Ponce Enrile, former Senator

Raul Roco, DECS Secretary

Richard Gordon, Tourism Secretary

Edgardo Espiritu, Secretary, Dept. of Finance; Chairman, Land Bank of the Philippines

Fernando Barican

Leopoldo Lazatin, former Undersecretary, DOST

Gaudencio Mendoza, Assistant Executive Secretary for Legal Affairs

Francis Navarete, Deputy Director, Civil Aeronautics Board

Ernesto Ordonez, Undersecretary, Department of Trade and Industry

Ricardo Paras, Assistant Secretary, Department of Justice

Ricardo Puno, Jr., Press Secretary

Angelico Salud, Press Undersecretary

Gabriel Singson, Governor, Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

Ramon Cardenas, Senior Deputy Executive Secretary, Office of the President

Jaime Policarpio, Presdiential Legislative Adviser and Head

Gabriel Claudio, Presidential Spokesperson

Gaudencio Mendoza, Asst. Executive Secretary

Wilfrido Villarama, Chief of Staff, Office of the Vice President

Antonio Cerilles, Secretary, DENR

Benjamin Laguesma, Secretary, DOLE

Alberto Romualdez, Secretary, DOH

Domingo Siazon, Secretary, DFA

Mario Tiaoqui, Secretary, DOE

Roberto Antonio, Undersecretary, Dept. of Tourism

Cyril del Callar,Undersecretary, DOE

Antonio Llorente, Undersecretary, Dept. of Justice

Regis Puno, Undersecretary, Dept. of Justice

Leopoldo Lazatin, Undersecretary, Department of Science and Technology

Ernesto Ordonez, Undersecretary, Department of Trade and Industry

Carlos Arellano, Chairman and President, SSS

Agustin Bengzon, Administrator, MARINA

Benjamin Palma Gil , President, PNB

Federico Pascual, President and General Manager, GSIS

Antonio Bernardo, BIR Commisioner

Felicito Payumo, Chairman, Subic Bay and Metropolitan Authority

Federico Puno, President, National Power Corporation

Juan Ponce Enrile, Former Senator

Ricardo Paras III, Assistant Secretary, Department of Justice

Manuel Huberto Gaite, Assistant Secretary, Presidential Flagship Program

Nestor Sevilla, Administrator, Maritime Industry Association

Eduardo Escueta, Administrator, Philippine Coconut Authority

Rafael Buenaventura, Governor, Bangko Sentral Ng Pilipinas

Arnel Jose Banas, Deputy Secretary for Administrative and Financial Services, Senate

Recent/Current Representatives:

Jose Mayo Almario, Davao City
Florencio Abad, Batanes
Joel Almario, 2nd District, Davao Oriental
Pantaleon Alvarez, 1st District, Davao del Norte
Rolando Andaya, Jr., 1st District, Camarines Sur
Sergio Apostol, 2nd District, Leyte
Agapito Aquino, 2nd District, Makati City
Benigno Aquino III, 2nd District, Tarlac
Joker Arroyo, 1st District, Makati City
Luis Asistio, 2nd District, Caloocan City
Augusto Bacullo, 2nd District, Misamis Oriental
Ignacio Bunye, Muntinlupa City
Alan Peter Cayetano, Pateros-Taguig
Anthony Dequina, 1st District
Antonio Diaz, 2nd District, Zambales
Enrico Echiverri, 1st District, Caloocan City
Jack Enrile, 1st District, Cagayan
Rodolfo Farinas, 1st District, Ilocos Norte
Manuel Garcia, 2nd District, Davao City
Neptali Gonzales II, Mandaluyong City
James Gordon, Jr., 1st District, Zambales
Magtanggol Gunigundo, Valenzuela City
Renato Leviste, 1st District, Oriental Mindoro
Celso Lobregat, Zamboanga City
Edgar Mendoza, 2nd District, Batangas
Antonino Roman, 1st District, Bataan
Manuel Roxas III, 1st District, Capiz
Joey Salceda, 3rd District, Albay
Victor Sumulong, Antipolo City
Augusto Syjuco, Jr., 2nd District, Iloilo
Wigberto Tanada, 4th District, Quezon
Alejandro Urro, 1st District, Zamboanga del Sur
Leandro Verceles, Jr., Catanduanes
Leonardo Montemayor, Party List Representative,ABA

Recent/Present Governors:

Victor Agbayani, Pangasinan
Vicente Bermejo, Capiz
Josefina dela Cruz, Bulacan
Wilfrido Enverga, Quezon
Exequiel Javier, Antique
Justo Orros, Jr., La Union
Rene Relampagos, Bohol

Recent/Present Vice-Governors:

Herminino Aquino, Tarlac
Oscar Lambino, Pangasinan
Richard Recto, Batangas
Juanito Victor Remulla, Cavite

Recent/Present Mayors:

Julius Vergara, Cabanatuan City
Arnan Panaligan, Calapan, Oriental Mindoro
Alvin Garcia, Cebu City
Felipe Remollo, Dumaguete City
Marcelo Aguirre, La Carlota, Negros Occidental
Jose Atienza, Manila
Sulpicio Roco, Naga, Camarines Sur
Mary Jane Ortega, San Fernando, La Union
Francis Tolentino, Tagaytay City

Foreign Affairs:

Romualdo Ong, Ambassador, Beijing
Tomas Syquia, Ambassador, Berne
Jorge Arizabal, Ambassador, Hanoi
Jose Brillantes, Ambassador, Kuala Lumpur
Jamie Bautista, Ambassador, Moscow
Eloy Bello, Ambassador, Pretoria
Jose Zaide, Ambassador, Vienna
Raul Rabe, Ambassador, Washington
Antonio Villamor, Consul General, Agana
Ariel Abadilla, Consul General, Sydney


BUSINESS AND ECONOMY

Don Jaime Zobel de Ayala (Ateneo - doctor honoris causa) – founder/head, Ayala Group of Companies

Andres Soriano, founder/head, San Miguel Corporation, The Soriano Group of Companies

Eugenio Lopez, founder of Meralco, Benpres, ABS-CBN, Rockwell Holdings, etc.

Sixto Roxas, founder and former President & CEO, Bancom Group of Companies

Vicente Jayme, Former President & CEO, Private Development Corp. of the Phil..

Oscar Reyes, CEO of the Shell Companies and President of the Pilipinas Shell Petroleum

Roberto de Ocampo, Finance Minister

Rene Buenaventura, President, Equitable-PCI Bank, Inc.

Manny Pangilinan, CEO, First Pacific Ltd.; President & CEO of PLDT

Ernest Leung, President, Phil. Deposit Insurance Corporation

Antonio "Tony Boy" Cojuangco, President, PLDT

Francisco Dizon, Chairman, Philippine National Bank

Simon Paterno, President, Development Bank of the Phil.

Ben Sison, President, Exim Bank

Carlos Velez, Chairman, Vintage Enterprises

Alfred Ramos, Chairman, National Book Store

Robert Romulo, former Chairman, IBM Philippines, former Dept. of Foreign Affairs Secretary

O.V. Espiritu, former Chairman & CEO, Far East Bank

Javier Loinaz, President & CEO, BPI

Aurelio Montinola III, President, BPI Family Bank

Valentin Araneta, President, RCBC

Justo Ortiz, Chairman & CEO, Union Bank

Renato Vergel de Dios, President, Prudential Insurance; former President, Philamlife

Jose Ma. Locsin, Chairman Emeritus, Hawaiian Pacific Sugar Mills

Teodoro Locsin, Sr., Publisher (CEO), Philippine Free Press

Carlos Dominguez, Chairman & President, PASAR

Luis Lorenzo, Jr., Chairman & CEO, Lapanday Holdings Corp.; Chairman, Macondray and Co.

Josephine Gotianun-Yap, President & COO, Filinvest Development Corporation

Andrew Gotianun, Jr., (Xavier GS, HS, Ateneo BSME72/73), Director, Filinvest Development Corporation; Filinvest Holdings Corp.

Lisa Gokongwei, President & Publisher (CEO), Summit Publishing (The Manila Times)

Gregorio Domingo, Governor, Dept. of Trade & Industry, Board of Investments

Jose B. Fernandez, Former Central Bank Governor, former Chairman, President & CEO, Far East Bank & Trust Co.

Gabriel Singson, Governor of the IBRD (World Bank) and Asian
Development Bank; Former Central Bank Governor;

Alan Ortiz, former Vice-Chairman & COO, Development Bank of the Philippines

Cesar Virata, former Finance Minister

Rufo Colayco, President, Clark Development Corporation

Eduardo Escueta, Administrator, Philippine Coconut Authority

Rene Banez, Comissioner, BIR

Eugenio Lopez III, Chairman & CEO, ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corp.; Chairman & CEO, Lopez Communications Group; Vice Chairman, Bayan Telecommunications; President, Sky Vision Corp.

Oscar Lopez, Chairman & CEO, First Philippine Holdings

Roberto Romulo, Chairman, Equitable Cardnetwork, Inc.; Chairman, Interpharm Investments Ltd.; Chairman & CEO, Romulo Navarro, Inc.; Chairman, Philam Insurance

Monico Jacob, former Governor, Phil. Stock Exchange; Chairman & CEO, Phil, National Oil Co.; CEO, Home Development Mutual Fund

Norberto Nazareno, Vice Chairman, President & CEO, Phil.. Deposit Insurance Corp.; former President & CEO, Phil. Banking Corp; former President & CEO, Citicorp Securities, Inc.

Josiah Go, President & CEO, Waters Philippines

Stephanie del Rosario, Owner of Fontagraphics Design

Miren Padilla, Owner, Malice Lambanog

Audrey Que, Owner, Humor Post

Charlie Doble and Andrew Marcelo, Owners, Spoofs Ltd. Inc.

Noel Canivel, FI Head, Standard Chartered Bank

Nestor Padilla, President, Rockwell Land Corp.

Genju Lapez, President, PT Nabisco, Indonesia

Robert Kelvin Kuan, COO, Creative Design Inc.

Uy Chun Bing, EVP, RCBC

Cesar Balota, Head of Johnson & Johnson (Singapore)

Rafael Alunan III, President, Maynilad Water Systems Inc.

Ceferino Carreon, mega-mega $millionaire international telecom investor and real estate developer

Carol Carreon, CEO & President, BayanTrust

Rafael Lumanlan, Chairman & President, Serra Investments, Inc. (Silicon Valley, CA)

Amador Vallejos, Jr., Director of Phil. Business Bank; Director of Phil, Association of Food Technologists;

Benjamin Loong, President & CEO, BJ Coco Oil Mill, Inc.; Chairman, BJ East Asia Inc.

Antonio Abaya, founder & Chairman, TAPATT Foundation Inc.

Baltazar Endriga, President, Cultural Center of the Phil.; Former President, Andersen Consulting Inc.; Partner, SGV; President, FINEX

Nono Felipe, CEO, Mp3Manila

Manuel Tordesillas, President & CEO, ATR Kim Eng Capital Partners

Ruben Jimenez, SVP, ABS-CBN

Manuel Quiogue, President & COO, GMA Marketing; CEO, ABS-CBN Narrowcast Group; former CEO of ABS-CBN Studio 23

Elena Delgado, President & CEO, Irwin Home Equity

Antonio Aquino, President, Manila Water Company

Rene Tenazas, President, iMergence Technologies (Rutherford, NJ)

James Tang, President, Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce & Industry, Inc.

Asterio Favis, Director & SVP, AB Capital and Investment Corp.

Roger Zenarosa, EVP, PNB

Samie Lim, President, Phil. Franchise Association

Enrique Santos, President & CEO, Pygmallion Systems, Inc.

Nicasio Alcantara, Chairman, ALSONS; Chairman, Petron

Teodora Marasigan, President & CEO, M&S International Business Consultants, Inc.

Albert Zenarosa, Chairman of ASCOJA; President of PHILJEFA

Mark Ira, President & CEO, JPComm Center (Connecticut, USA)

Jovino Lorenzo, President, National Development Corp.; Vice Chairman & Former President, Citadel Holdings, Isla Communications, Coonsolidated Industrial Gases Inc.

Alex Villamar, President, Philweb.com; former President & CEO, Major Telecoms, Inc., Philcom Corp, DATELCO Global Communications & Metro Kidapawan Telephone Co.

Carlos Arellano, Chairman, President & CEO, Social Security System

Enrique Herrera-Davila, former President & CEO, Ayala Leasing Co; Makati Leasing & Finance Co.

Jose Faustino, Vice Chairman, FRANCORP Philippines

Henry Leung, President, Petrochemicals Corporation of Asia Pacific

Nicardo Pascua, Vice Chairman, President & CEO, First Pacific

Mikko Perez, Founding CEO, The Stellar Foods; CFO of Chikka

Edward Go, Executive Director of Global Business Bank; former President of Bankers Association of the Philippines; President of Management Association of the Philippines; Chairman & CEO, China Banking Corp.; President & COO, Asian Bank Corp.; Member of the Ateneo Board of Trustees

Arthur Palou, Sugarcane baron

Jose Tuazon, Real Estate baron

Ramon Yulo, Real Estate baron (Canlubang Estates, etc.)

Emmanuel Gonzalez, Founder & CEO, Plantation Bay Holdings Corp.

Benjamin de Leon, CEO, National Life Insurance Co.

Roberto Guevara, President & CEO, Seed Capital Corp.; President, Guevent (owner of Volkswagen Franchise); President, Radiowealth Finance Co. *HK) Ltd.

Benjamin Guevara, President, Wack-Wack Golf & Country Club

Carlos V. Tria, Jr., Managing Director, Benpres Holdings Corporation

Elpidio Ibanez, President & COO, First Philippine Holdings Corporation

Jose P. De Jesus, President, Manila North Tollways Corp.

Jeffrey Yao, Director of the following companies: Solmac Marketing, Inc.; Harman Foods (Phils) Inc.; Amchem Marketing , Inc.; Semexco Marketing Corp.; SMI Developmrent Corp.; Zesto Corp.; Americasn Brands (Phils) Inc.

Jose Trinidad, CEO, World Dominion Netcorp.

Guillermo Carague, Secretary, Dept. of Budget & Management; Member, Monetary Board of the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas; Partner, SGV

Dan Lachica, President, Intel Philippines

Frederick Dael, former Chairman & CEO, Isla Comunications Co. Inc.; President & CEO, CEOs, Inc.

Felipe Alfonso, Vice-Chairman, Manila Electric Co.; Vice-Chairman, Asian Institute of Management

Virgilio Pena, former President & General Manager, IBM Philippines; President & Managing Director, San Miguel Brewery International.

Vicente Ramirez, President, Mercator Finance Co.; President, PNB Leasing

Lance Gokongwei (Xavier GS, HS), President & CEO, Cebu Pacific Air; CEO, Cambridge Electronics, Inc.

Victor Limlingan, Managing Director, Cristina Research Foundation, Regina Capital Development Corp., and Visa Development Corp.

Tomas Lopez, President & CEO, Club Noah Group of Companies

Mario Tanchangco, President & CEO, Professional Fire Protection Mgt., Inc.

Robert Yupangco (Ateneo MBA), President & CEO, Yupangco Corporation.

Francis Cezar Perez, President & CEO, Datablade, Inc.

Edgardo Espiritu, Chairman, Land Bank of the Phil.; former President, CEO & Vice-Chairman, Westmont Bank; Director, First Pacific Fund; Chairman, Philippine News; Chairman, NAPOCOR; President, PNB; Chairman, Century Holding Corp.; President, Metropolitan Bank & Trust Co.; President, International Bank of California; Director, Century Bank (California)

Dino Gil, President & General Manager, Citipharma

Dato' Mohd. Ghazali Bin Mohd. Khalid. Chairman, Golden Frontier Berhad.

Galo Garchitorena, former President & CEO, QUEDANCAR; founder, Quedan Guarantee Fund Board; acknowledged as the Father of Quedan Agri-Credit System.

Ernesto Boydon, President & CEO, Inobbar Technologies Corp.

Gabino Mendoza, Chairman, Allied Metals, Inc.; Director-Treasurer, Foodmach, Inc.; Director, PHINMA and NCR (Phil.)

Felipe Alfonso, Chairman, Manila Electric Company; Vice Chairman, First Metro Investment Corp.; member of the boards of Benpres Holdings, Jollibee Foods Corp., Bacnotan Cement Corp., Coca-Cola Foundation of the Phil., Makati Commercial Estates Association, Wockhardt Limited of India, Chemoil Asia, Phinma and Chase H&Q (Phil.)

Fritz Server, Chairman, RFM

Ramon Jacinto, Chairman, Jacinto Group

Luiz Lorenzo, Chairman, Lapanday Holdings


....and the list just keeps on growing.....


ATENEANS RULE !!! THAT'S THE GENERAL RULE !!!

But we can't do it all by ourselves. Leaders also need followers. We need to enlist the help of everyone, even the lesser institutions and individuals of the green variety. Everyone counts in the nation-building process. Stand up and be counted!

WE BELIEVE; THAT'S WHY WE ACHIEVE.

WE EXCEL; THAT'S WHY WE WISH EVERYONE WELL.

WIN OR LOSE, IT'S THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE!

Peace.

Guys,

I saw the thread in PEX. While it would be worthwhile to post these things over there in PEX just to prove the lies in claims such as "Las Salle predominates ek ek..." and "Ateneans make good managers but La Sallians own the business...", we shouldn't solicit names over here in Atenista.Net because its given that every batch will produce outstanding alumni. Do we need to convince ourselves about that?

BTW, this is exactly what the La Sallites are doing in greenarcher. If you take a look over there, the ones posting their inaccurate lists in PEX are the ones who started threads in greenarcher such as "Help me expand my list of La Sallian celebrities..." tapos pinopost nila sa PEX ang mga kutiting na nafi-fish nila which by the way includes people who actually went to college in Ateneo, finished in La Salle schools abroad or La Salle Bacolod, and even those who took only a few units in their school. So we don't have to resort to what they're doing.

reyesaa is absolutely right. ateneo's great standing is already established. there's no reason for a list of which atenean made it big in business, gov't, etc. if the purpose for starting this thread is for expanding one's business network and contacts, then fine--this thread then makes sense. But if the purpose of this thread is to react to the infantile puny bragging list of that school at Taft, then it's an issue of grave insecurity. don't fall for that trap. And since I'm an atenean who can be self-criticalof my own (like many other ateneans and unlike those born followers at Taft), I suggest to trim this atenean list to those who finishedeither in Ateneo High School, Ateneo college (loyola schools), or both only. those who obtained Honoris causa, mba's, ma's, shouldn't be included (unless they finished in AHS or Ateneo college) because they were not really part of fundamental Jesuit formation. Grade school is not part of it because the Jesuit formation here is still so much in its infancy. How about those from other Ateneos? Well, I'm pretty sure they have a hefty list of their own and they could stand on their own merits without "de manila" attached to their names. Again, you can include those from other Ateneos if they transferred or enrolled, then finished in AHS or Ateneo college.
But again as i reiterate, there is no need for this list.

We should not compare our list with that of La Salle - they're not in our league. It's the UP list that we should match up with.

UP, Ateneo, DLSU.. we're all the same when we go out to the real world...What matters is what we make out of our education.

I agree. Let the prominent Alumni be our inspiration and not as a substitute for what we are not.

Atenistas who've succeeded in business? How about the original Jesuits who started the Ateneo back in the late 1500's. Now THOSE guys made a killing, he-he! They've been in business for over four-and-a-half centuries and they've got their "products" in every aspect of the country's life and history and even the rest of the world. Even one of their most defective products managed to become president of the Republic and had the top LaSallite working UNDER him as a mere Secretary of the DECS. Now THAT is truly world beating S-U-C-C-E-S-S! FABILLIOH WHITE AND BLUE!

Ok. So, sino ang lamang, UP or Ateneo?

So, ano lang ang dapat isali? Grade School, High School, College or MBA? Eh bakit si Ramos sinama ni BerdengEbak sa list sa taas? FYI, some of those in the list are LaSallistas.

Michael Corleone: "We're part of the same hypocrasy."

[ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

Amen to that. How many Ateneans are like Gideon? See comments above.

Fidel Ramos took his MBA in Ateneo.
FYI.

Everyone in the list above received tertiery degrees from the Ateneo.

The list of Ateneans in government is not complete. Some of my own classmates are not included.

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: the Boss ]

kung maraming magaling na atenista in their chosen profession, marami din loko lokong ateneans out there. honey babes is right, its what we make out of ourselves that matters in the end. ano akala nyo hindi kurakot yung ibang atenista sa gobyerno? i quit public service because i saw too much of it, and to think some of those bastards were jesuit educated people from well respected families.

who made it big in business? hmmm... dami siguro, some known while others remain anonymous, pero in 20 years sana ako rin, gusto ko yung known...

You missed the question. Ang tanong: ano ba ang importante for this discussion, grade school, high school, college or graduate school? Sabi niyo kasi La Salle's list includes graduates of La Salle high schools who studied college elsewhere.

Now, you're changing your terminology. Gusto mo, "tertiary education." Bakit? Para maisama si Ramos, who got his MBA from Ateneo? Pero pag si Erap, grade school at high school ok na, ganoon ba?

Alright, I'll rephrase the question since you want to use different terminology. What's important for you: primary, secondary or tertiary education?

Kung Ateneo grade school pero La Salle college, di na ninyo ike-claim? Ganoon ba?

[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

Thanks. I am aware of that. Halos magkasabay si FVR at si Nani Perez nag MBA eh.

Ooops... another Atenista like Gideon. Sabi ko na nga ba, maraming matitinong Atenista na may tamang pananaw sa buhay. Pero HINDI LAHAT. See postings above.

I'm not changing the terminology. I thought you already knew what it takes to be a part of the AAA. Apparently you don't. To answer your question more straightforwardly:

Anybody who earns a degree from the Ateneo in the High School level or higher (including the graduate school, law school, etc.) is officially inducted into the Ateneo Alumni Association. Therefore, for better or for worse, Fidel Ramos is officially an inducted member of the Ateneo Alumni Association. Erap, on the other hand, did not earn his high school degree from the Ateneo and therefore was not officially inducted and is therefore not an alumnus of the school, at least not by virtue of his education. His "honorary membership" in the HS class of 1955 is debatable.

Why do I use this definition? Because many people have different opinions as to whether or not a person is really an Atenean or not. Now, since the title of this thread is "Name some of the Atenean Alumni who made it BIG in business", I'm just sticking to a definition that everyone can agree on - official membership in the AAA.

By the way, I didn't say the La Salle list includes La Salle HS grads who went to college in Ateneo. Have you even seen the list? Do you know who they put in it? I'll give you an idea:

Ninoy - allegedly a DLSU alum bec. he attended 2 years of elementary school in La Salle

Daniel Lacson - allegedly a DLSU alum even if he really went to La Salle Bacolod

Mike Alimurung - allegedly a DLSU alum even if he only took 9 units in DLSU and even if he's really an AHS and ADMU BSME grad (and therefore an officially inducted member of the AAA)

In other words, these names were included to pad the list. Now, maybe in the opinion of some DLSU alumni, these people are considered "La Sallians". But are they officially inducted into the DLSUAA? I'm not saying whether or not these people are right. Who knows, even if Ninoy attended only 2 years in La Salle, he may be a La Sallian at heart. But we don't know that. What we do know is that he is not part of the DLSUAA, rather, he is a member of the AAA and at least by that objective criteria, he is an Ateneo alumnus. Outside of that criteria, its everyone else's guess.

Now do you get it?

Your messages above speak for themselves. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I apologize; I'm human. But if I'm right, what do we do?

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

Thank you for presuming that I know the requirements for joining the AAA. But I admit, I do not.

If you think you explained your point well, then I should get it, right? If you think your 380-word answer to my straightforward one-sentence multiple choice question is straightforward, then good for you.

You're also right in saying that I haven't seen the list (that's why I cannot even comment .) Geez, you Ateneans are always right!!!

Well, trash talk aside ( We're cool, aren't we?), I must recognize the difference between admission requirements of DLSAA and AAA. While AAA, according to you, only admits degree-holding Ateneans, I do not believe that DLSAA requires its members to have earned a degree from DLSU.

But this is not at all an arbitrary choice. I am sure you are aware that by definition, "alumni" are "former students of a school." If Ateneans do not see it that way, I suppose LaSallistas would respect that. But La Salle feels that you don't have to hold a degree to be considered a La Sallite. Don't you also feel that way about Ateneans who, by force of circumstances, did not earn degrees from the Ateneo? If a person is an Atenean at heart, recognizes the value of being an Atenean, and embraces Ateneo values and tradition, would you refuse to consider him/her part of your community? I don't know because I know little about the AAA. As far as the DLSAA is concerned, it's not all about padding lists. It's not about status and technicalities either.

Maybe, I don't get it. Maybe, you are just so much smarter.

Cheers! How's the weather in the Big Apple?

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

You’ll have to quote me on where among my messages I changed terminology to prove that I’m wrong. But before that, you might want to check out the definition of the word “terminology”:

Terminology - n : a system of words used in a particular discipline; "legal terminology"; "the language of sociology" [syn: nomenclature, language] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Maybe I didn’t initially answer your questions the way you wanted me to. But then again, maybe its because your questions had nothing to do with what I posted. Whatever the case may be, I don’t see where I changed any terminology.



You admitted that you didn’t know what it takes to be a member of the AAA. So I had to lay down the facts for you. That’s why it took 380 words.



I’m not familiar with the membership policies of the DLSUAA, but intuitively I would think that they do not differ much from those of the AAA. I say this because other schools that I know of also have the same policies. Remember when Miriam Santiago bragged that she studied in Harvard and a spokesman for the Philippine Harvard AA qualified that she was not an alumna of the school since she only attended short courses? But again, this is just my intuitive guess and it is possible that the DLSUAA may have different qualifications for membership.



I am not aware of this definition of the word “alumni”. However, I am aware of how the word “alumnus” is defined in dictionaries:

a) Alumnus - A*lum"nus, n.; pl. Alumni. [L., fr. alere to nourish.] A pupil; especially, a graduate of a college or other seminary of learning. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Alumnus - n : a person who has received a degree from a school (high school or college or university) [syn: alumna, alum, graduate, grad] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University




There is a difference between the term “La Sallian” and “DLSU alumnus”. Like I said:



Now, many people – both Ateneans and La Sallites , will have their own opinion as to what really makes a person a real Atenean or La Sallian, and the word is so broad and undefined that there’s no use arguing with over its genuine definition.

Now, what about the word “alumnus”? Even if the word has been formally defined in both the Webster and Princeton dictionaries, it is still used very broadly. This time, you’ll have to look at the overall context of the La Salle list in PEX. The list was posted by a DLSU student to support his claim that DLSU was the best school because it produced distinguished alumni. Since he was using the list as a basis of comparison to claim superiority, then isn’t it only proper that his claim be scrutinized by the most measurable and objective standards possible?

Does the fact that Ninoy spent 2 years of elementary education in La Salle support his claim that DLSU is the best school by virtue of its alumni – better than Ateneo, even if Ninoy earned his degrees in Ateneo and UP and is an official member of the AAA, UPAA, and Upsilon?

Does the fact that Mike Alimurung studied 9 units in DLSU support his claim that DLSU is the best school by virtue of its alumni – even better than Ateneo, even if Mike earned his high school, BS ME, and BS ComSci degrees from Ateneo and is an official member of the AAA?

How about other names he dropped such as Jaime Zobel, who graduated from La Salle Barcelona, and Daniel Lacson, who graduated from La Salle Bacolod? Do they prove that, by virtue of their education, DLSU is the best school by virtue of its alumni? No doubt they are products of the La Salle educational system (not to be confused with the DLSU System of schools), but can they be used as a basis to support the claim that DLSU is the best school? If so, then does the fact that Voltaire and Rene Descartes graduated from Jesuit schools support any claim that Ateneo is the best school?



As far as being a La Sallian or an Atenean is concerned (not necessarily being a member of the DLSUAA or AAA), it’s not about padding lists, and it’s not about status or technicalities. However, when someone claims that his school is the best school and supports that claim with names of “alumni” then we have to use technicalities to scrutinize the claim. Otherwise, the claim will be just a baseless exercise of list padding.

reyesaa: Question: Are you mad? Hirap makipagusap sa galit eh.

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

I thought you wanted to respond to my question. I didn't know you're selective pala. Sorry.

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

The last time I checked, I was using a different dictionary. Are you aware that there are other dictionaries? Here's a tip for you: Don't rely on just one or two sources.

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

No need to check. It's a simple word. Besides, you did the checking for me. That's the word I wanted (and still want) to use. If you think you didn't change your terminology anywhere, so be it. No need to argue. Maliit na bagay lang iyan. Why don't we just take another shot at answering the question straightforwardly?

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

As I've said, and acknoweldged, I have not seen the list. I don't go the PEX either. I am also not in a position to comment about Mike Alimurong because I don't even know the guy. I'll ask the other Alimurung I know if ever I bump into him. Meanwhile, I cannot comment based on hearsay. That's fair right? You wouldn't comment based on hearsay either, would you?

But here's my take on your discussions. At the end of the day, Ateneans and La Sallites would not stop arguing. Who's to say what's right?

However, between the two of us, I think the issue is pretty simple. I was just trying to see what you Ateneans think the basis for the list should be--grade school, high school, college or graduate school, or all of them? I even rephrased the question: primary, secondary or tertiary. Vague kasi eh.

My question, which I thought, you were responding to, was pretty straightforward.

How does Webster and Princeton define the term straightforward, anyway? Let's see if our dictionaries still provide different definitions this time.

Among the definitions given in mine are: plain; direct; not circuitous. Now, let's see. Was your answer plain? Was it direct? Was it circuitous? I'll keep my answer to myself.

The point really is -- I just wanted to know what the basis for the list should be. If you think Descartes should be considered an Atenean, then say so para at least alam ko kung ano ang basis. That's all. Kung ayaw mong sagutin, ok rin sa akin.

Hey, I hope I didn't make you angry. I hope everything's cool. Honestly, I don't want to offend you. And I don't say that to all Ateneans I argue with in this site.

Well, if you're ever interested in answering my questions, you haven't answered this one either: How's the weather in the Big Apple?

Gosh, I love that city!

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

Pahabol.

Did you not presume I knew before I admitted I do not know the admission requirements for the AAA? Did you not lay the basis after I admitted I do not know the admission requirements for the AAA?

These two questions are answerable with a yes or no.

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

Hey reyesaa, I think this argument is getting messy. Ang dami nang side issue lumabas eh. Tama na `to. Hope you're not mad.

Ive said it once and Ill say it again: In my opinion, I dont think where we actually went to school(Ateneo, DLSU, UP, UST, PUP, Miriam..lahat na isali) matters.. ang mportante eh kung may natutunan tayo at kung saan natin ginagamit, ginamit at gagamitin iyung inaral natin paglabas natin ng kolehiyo. Don't you agree?

Honeybabes, I think the general reputation of your school matters, let's not kid ourselves by saying that it does not. a graduate of ADMU certainly has better chances to enter the jobmarket in Metro Manila compared to a graduate of a school that's not as well reputed as ADMU. But the graduates of school that are widely believed to have similar standards usually do have similar levels of knowledge and skills. That's why I believe that it doesnt matter whether one graduated from UP, DLSU or ADMU. Same bananas, they are all product of primary education instutions in the country. Some can be sources of inspiration to their alma mater, while others can be the exact opposite. It doesn't mean that one can be a source of inspiration if one graduated from a particular school, you are right in saying it boils down to how we, as individuals, choose to live our lives

I agree. I also agree that Ateneo is an outstanding institution.

I agree. You have a mature outlook.

Then you should have reserved your questions until you’ve seen what was posted in PEX. Your questions are really valid questions in their own right, but they were outside the context of the discussion. I noticed that when you first quoted me, you left out this part of my post:



I don’t know if you did that on purpose, or if you just didn’t realize that probably there was more to the story than you actually knew about. Then, you wouldn’t have asked questions like these:





Already answered in the following posts:



and


Which is why I was against the very idea of Ateneans joining the fray by putting up a counter-list in the first place, as I mentioned in my first post.

As I’ve said, your questions are valid in their own right. But they were out of the context of the overall discussion and I had to point that out to you. If it takes more words to do that, then so be it.
Here are the Webster and Princeton definitions for the word “straightforward”:

Straightforward - Straight`for"ward, a. Proceeding in a straight course or manner; not deviating; honest; frank. -- adv. In a straightforward manner. Straight`for"ward*ly, adv. -- Straight`for"ward*ness, n. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Straightforward - adj 1: free from ambiguity; "a straightforward set of instructions" 2: without evasion or compromise; "a square contradiction"; "he is not being as straightforward as it appears" [syn: square(a)] 3: without concealment or deception; honest; "their business was open and aboveboard"; "straightforward in all his business affairs" [syn: aboveboard] 4: pointed directly ahead; "a straightforward gaze" Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

As you can see, none of these definitions put a limit to the number of words used to answer questions. My answers were plain and direct, but they were not shallow. My answers were not circuitous, but neither were they incomplete. I won’t keep that to myself.

If you want to argue in Atenista.Net, then be prepared to argue. And when you do argue, attack the argument, not the way it’s delivered. Otherwise, it might look like you’re only trying to evade the main issue.



Already answered. The basis for any list should be taken in the context of which it was posted in the first place. But in case you’re having a hard time retaining it, here it is again:



and



Now, were you able to digest it?



No problem. All I do is argue and stick to the issue. I won’t get personal by attacking the way you present your arguments. If I did that, people might think that I’m evading the issue.



The weather is nice and sunny.



Yes I presumed that. I also presumed that you had already graduated from a 4-year high school and may have already finished college. Therefore, you would know what it takes to be an official member of your school’s alumni association. Like I said, I’m not familiar with how they admit members in the DLSUAA and many other AAs for that matter, but intuitively I would guess that their requirements are similar to that of the AAA. That means that someone who finished only 2 years of elementary education in that school is not qualified to be a member. Then again, that’s just my guess.

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Side issues like what is really straightforward and what is not? I really don’t mind. All I do is just stick to the issue and take everything in the proper context – in both my replies and in the questions that I ask.

[ June 21, 2002: Message edited by: reyesaa ]

Let's backtrack a little bit.

The issue has always been clear. You were questioning the integrity of La Salle's list. The argument from your side was that certain people only went to high school at La Salle and these other guys just did this at La Salle, but were all listed under the much-maligned list of De La Salle.

I just wanted to clarify, as I am entitled to: what is important to you--high school, college or graduate school? I wanted to know what it takes, by your standards, for a person to be put in a list of alumni. That was my issue--plain and simple.

I appreciate your taking time out to respond and to explain your point to the best of your abilities. Your dedication to this issue, which entails time and effort, is admittedly admirable. If you think that I cannot address all your issues, and it disappoints you terribly, I apologize.

But let me just say that I do not evade arguments. There are just things I cannot comment about. If others in this forum will take that against me, so be it. I face the consequences. Don't worry about it.

Let me just assure you once again, at the risk of redundancy, that I am not evading issues. Can I possibly do that? With you around?

But if I have nothing to say on a certain point, it doesn't mean I'm avoiding issues. If Ninoy Aquino indeed just spent a short while at La Salle, what do you expect me to say? As for me, I cannot comment because I have no means to verify the facts. Not now, at least.

Sure, there were other points I made. Some related to side issues (i.e., definitional issues you raised, my alleged inability to understand straightforward answers). But they were all reactionary. I did not even object to such side issues because they're all part of the game. But I suppose we are both entitled to react to everything we say.

But as all this is yet another side issue, I won't even comment further. I hope we can stop here.

You've given your answer. In your words, I should digest your answers, as other people in this forum, who have the time, would.

I'd, of course, be glad to address your subsequent posts. But if I see more messages after this, I must say I truly admire your dedication.

Just for your information, the DLSAA rules are different. You do not need to hold a degree from La Salle to be qualified to join the DLSAA. I know that for a fact. You can take my word for it.

In any event, thank you for your time. Thanks for your presumption as to my educational attainment. You obviously have no other basis for such a presumption other than my messages. I could be a high school student to begin with, right? But I could, of course, hold a PhD. Who knows?

Finally, if you think I don't get your arguments and that I am not able to digest it, I apologize if I disappoint you. As for me, you seem to be a very smart fellow, a Columbia MBA student at that (ang bigat!). I won't have the same problem with you. I'm glad I am able to explain my points well enough for you to recognize them as valid and for you to address them accordingly.

Peace!

[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: ASUS ]

the only way all people will respect us is to admit that both ateneo and la salle are good institutions. i agree that these 'big' alumni help us realize how good our university is but they are not us. i gain, not assume, respect from my lasallian friends because i repect them, too.

napakagaling nyo makipagtalaktakan...

contribute na lang ako:

Felix Fuentebella
AHS'93
Congressman,3rd District, Camarines Sur
Youngest Congressman ever elected

Teodoro G K Limcaoco, GS 76 HS 80, Man for All Seasons. Highest intellect with an unsullied reputation for integrity.

My oh My -- what an impressive list of Ateneans who have taken the reigns of leadership in the public and private sectors.
Can someone explain to me now why this country continues to be mired in deep, deep shit?????????

Don't rest on the accomplishments of the alumni or the prestige of your school......it's up to you to chart your own destiny.

Among other reasons, the number of losers and laggards, particularly those produced by diploma mills, outnumber Ateneans. A talented few cannot do it all by themselves.

As the saying goes, "How can we soar with the majestic blue eagles when we're surrounded by green turkeys."

[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: BerdengEbak ]

Sige, sisihin ang iba!!! Sisihin na rin ang sambayangang Pilipino!!! Sino lang kaya ang magaling? Ang mga Atenista lang ba? Mukhang ganoon nga ang ibig niyong sabihin!!! Kung iyan ang paniwala n'yo, aba, di na rin ako magrereklamo!!! mwahahaha!!!

Don’t you guys get it or do you simply choose to be blind to the truth? Take a minute, sit down and think about it – Other than Jose Rizal, what really is Ateneo's claim to fame today?? --------
The ambition and greed of Juan Ponce Enrile? The filth and corruption of some 100 or so Ateneans in the Philippine Congress, who rob the country blind and whose concept of public service is to attend funerals and become ninongs and ninangs of their hapless constituents? The voracious hunger of Ateneans in private business who have sold their very souls to the devil, who cheat and cajole just to maintain a lifestyle of "respectability?" The Ateneo-educated political backbenchers who have nothing better to do than play golf, cook up dirty deals behind the shadows and mess up the lives of 75 million filipinos? The immorality, indecency, gullibility, and unbelievable ineptness of an Atenean and former President of the Republic who is known as Joseph Estrada but affixes his signature as Jose Velarde? His Ateneo-educated supporters and consultants who had the 'wisdom,' the gall and the reprehensible audacity to even consider him as their party’s standard bearer, let alone support his candidacy only because he can attract votes?

For more than 4 decades, the Philippines has been governed by ‘leaders’ who were educated in the country’s finest and most expensive schools – Ateneo, UP, La Salle, San Beda. Today, November 17/2002, three-quarters of the country’s population wallow in poverty, children roam the streets and die of starvation and disease, families are homeless, public education is abysmal, the environment continues to be raped and the Philippines is seen as the 11th most corrupt nation in the world. If you cannot see this situation as an scathing indictment of our dear Ateneo and the ‘quality’ of its education and training, you might as well go on with your inane discussions about alumni definitions and Ateneo-LaSalle rivalries. And if you find the time, why don’t you take a peek out the windows of your own small worlds --- you might just realize that the whole country is burning.

Estrada didn't even graduate high school!!!

Fidel Ramos is also a West Point Graduate <--- awesome ain't he

i agree with Cujo
but still, that doesn't mean it (an ateneo education) is not something to be proud of

i guess we just shouldn't be too proud and we should not use the "reputation" of our education as a measure of our "greatness" particularly in business and politics because if it were, then things wouldn't be this bad for many (most) filipinos.

but i still believe that there are still honest ateneans, filipinos for that matter, who run businesses or are in politics

i just really wish and hope that someday, most businessmen(women) and politicians will be like that.

There is a difference between pride and contemptuousness, confidence and
haughtiness.
You take pride in your education because it has given you the wisdom to recognize
right from wrong, truth from lies. You take pride in your school because it has given you the fortitude to pursue
the highest of ideals,however seemingly unattainable, and the capacity to live a life of decency and integrity. You take pride in good education because it provides you the virtue to respect differences among individuals and to realize that leadership is not merely a comical sharing of 'adobo at kanin' lunches with the less fortunate, but a lifetime commitment to creating decent living conditions and equal opportunities for everyone in society. You take pride in good education because it opens doors to a bright future for your children -- doors that lead to human prosperity and not those that simply gain access to a stupid, Mafia-like Big Boys Club whose members are dedicated to acquiring wealth by any means in order to preserve their vile existence.
(Oh well, they can always go to church on any given Sunday and wash away their sins with a hefty donation. All's well that end's well -- let's go back to the looting so we can finance our Wharton MBAs).
By the way, I stand corrected on Jose Rizal being Ateneo's only claim to fame. I have to add Pagsi (Onofre Pagsanhan) to that very short list.