I am not an alumni yet. However, I would want to ask you guys what distinguishes an Atenean from a UPian. What is the advantage of an Atenean in the business world compared to a graduate of UP? Thanks!
Not just in the business world,
UP grads are deemed No.1 and the Best. (But it is very seldom that you here them brag about the FACT that they are NO. 1)
In contrast, Ateneo grads are just "WANNA-BEs & FEELING NO.1". (They possess superiority complex, eventhough in reality, they don't hold the TOP and NO.1 spot. That's the great IRONY of it all.)
Newei, The great advantage/edge of an Atenean, is his/her daddy's or mommy's CONNECTION(S) and money.
UP grads are deemed No.1 and the Best. (But it is very seldom that you here them brag about the FACT that they are NO. 1)
In contrast, Ateneo grads are just "WANNA-BEs & FEELING NO.1". (They possess superiority complex, eventhough in reality, they don't hold the TOP and NO.1 spot. That's the great IRONY of it all.)
Newei, The great advantage/edge of an Atenean, is his/her daddy's or mommy's CONNECTION(S) and money.
Well, aren't we a wee bit OPINIONATED and PREJUDICED, eh? 
You should SUBSTANTIATE your statements before CAPITALIZING them.
You should SUBSTANTIATE your statements before CAPITALIZING them.
Lighten up Brown Eyes. Talking about a b-i-t-c-h with cramps or a dude who didn't get laid. Where's all this ill will coming from? Chill out! Life's too short.
Indeed, the supremacy argument is getting too old. There is some growing up in order. But, the fact is, they're about the same. An UPian can be as bright, sharp, snappy, critical, eloquent as the next Atenean. In fairness, he/she can even be better (likewise as well). How about this atenean edge? It lies in the absolute gray area of myth and reality. All I know (at least during my time), is I didn't see many State U folks in the corporate/biz world. Again, what I just said must not be taken as gospel truth. There could have been a whole lot of them hopelessly scattered in the corporate jungle of makati. I just didn't see many of them. In my short stint at Lintas (ad firm), it was Ateneans galore and a sprinkling of La Sallians and UPians.
There is also the perception that UPians end up in makibaka causes and other leftwing endeavors that's why there's not much of them in the capitalist world order. But they're out there because at some point, there's a realization that marxist sentiments can't put decent food on the table and a devotion to leftwing causes is a waste of God-given talent.
Dewy, the atenean edge is for you to say and figure out. Fact: Ateneans (at least the ones I know)here in the US and the Philippines are performing excellently in their chosen field. And there's an army of them out there. All the supposed "crap" you learned c/o the bias towards the CORE CURRICULUM will come to fruition on job interview day. You'll surprise yourself how so articulate, eloquent , and how much of an erudite you've become (w/c most non-ateneans will construe as superiority complex). Magis, eloquencia, sapientia...these are words that mean nothing to heathens out there. These are words that are construed only along the lines of the bragadocious. But for us Ateneans, these words make up who we are and our transcendence not because we're "better" than the rest. So next time some non-blue heathen tells you that you have superiority complex, just tell that bloke that "I regret you feel that way. It's just my nature."
p.s. family connections are a fact of life. fact: life isn't fair but life moves on
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: fray torquemada ]
Indeed, the supremacy argument is getting too old. There is some growing up in order. But, the fact is, they're about the same. An UPian can be as bright, sharp, snappy, critical, eloquent as the next Atenean. In fairness, he/she can even be better (likewise as well). How about this atenean edge? It lies in the absolute gray area of myth and reality. All I know (at least during my time), is I didn't see many State U folks in the corporate/biz world. Again, what I just said must not be taken as gospel truth. There could have been a whole lot of them hopelessly scattered in the corporate jungle of makati. I just didn't see many of them. In my short stint at Lintas (ad firm), it was Ateneans galore and a sprinkling of La Sallians and UPians.
There is also the perception that UPians end up in makibaka causes and other leftwing endeavors that's why there's not much of them in the capitalist world order. But they're out there because at some point, there's a realization that marxist sentiments can't put decent food on the table and a devotion to leftwing causes is a waste of God-given talent.
Dewy, the atenean edge is for you to say and figure out. Fact: Ateneans (at least the ones I know)here in the US and the Philippines are performing excellently in their chosen field. And there's an army of them out there. All the supposed "crap" you learned c/o the bias towards the CORE CURRICULUM will come to fruition on job interview day. You'll surprise yourself how so articulate, eloquent , and how much of an erudite you've become (w/c most non-ateneans will construe as superiority complex). Magis, eloquencia, sapientia...these are words that mean nothing to heathens out there. These are words that are construed only along the lines of the bragadocious. But for us Ateneans, these words make up who we are and our transcendence not because we're "better" than the rest. So next time some non-blue heathen tells you that you have superiority complex, just tell that bloke that "I regret you feel that way. It's just my nature."
p.s. family connections are a fact of life. fact: life isn't fair but life moves on
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: fray torquemada ]
I'm from UP, and through the course of my career I've worked with several Ateneans. I've had an Atenean for a boss, and I've had an Atenean for a subordinate. There really isn't much difference between the products of the two schools. We may approach the problem a bit differently at times, but the quality of work is more or less the same (which is often very high).
Outside of fellow UP alums, I get along best with Ateneo graduates.
If there's one thing that UP lacks which Ateneo definitely has (much to my disappointment), it's the incredible school spirit. Ateneans are better at taking care of their own compared to UPians.
I have a lot of respect for the Ateneans I have worked with. I sense that they also respect us UP grads. I think most of you guys here will agree that both schools mutually respect each other.
Outside of fellow UP alums, I get along best with Ateneo graduates.
If there's one thing that UP lacks which Ateneo definitely has (much to my disappointment), it's the incredible school spirit. Ateneans are better at taking care of their own compared to UPians.
I have a lot of respect for the Ateneans I have worked with. I sense that they also respect us UP grads. I think most of you guys here will agree that both schools mutually respect each other.
both schools actually do respect each other
although UP tends to be a more popular #1 to many filipinos
but i'm sure employers don't look at that.
if they do, even if they're from the same school as you, i don't think you'd want to work for him/her
although UP tends to be a more popular #1 to many filipinos
but i'm sure employers don't look at that.
if they do, even if they're from the same school as you, i don't think you'd want to work for him/her
tnx for all the replies! hope more alumnis will post.
Hello there! I really do think that life is what you make it whether or not you're from UP or Ateneo. I'm just giving myself and my family as a classic example of a mix of the three best schools in the Philippines. My mom and dad are both from U.P (my mom was magna cum laude U.P. law, and my dad was salutatorian U.P. engineering). My brother on the other hand went to Lasalle high school then London School of Economics for University and MA Economics Harvard afterwards he worked for the Swiss bank UBS. As for me, I finished my university degree at Ateneo de Manila and I'm now working for headquarters of TD Waterhouse (TD Canada Trust bank) in Toronto, Canada.
Yeah, there's the ocaissional tortorous jibe from my bro about Ateneo but that's normal, his wife's from UP Math (she finished her MBA in Wharton) and she takes a turn on my bro... so the way I see it life is a cycle and all one needs to do is to find how to make everything balance.
BTW, at work, the sweetest and best Filipina that I get along with is from UP Manila, she works at the Investment Services department.
Cheers!
Yeah, there's the ocaissional tortorous jibe from my bro about Ateneo but that's normal, his wife's from UP Math (she finished her MBA in Wharton) and she takes a turn on my bro... so the way I see it life is a cycle and all one needs to do is to find how to make everything balance.
BTW, at work, the sweetest and best Filipina that I get along with is from UP Manila, she works at the Investment Services department.
Cheers!
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marxist sentiments can't put decent food on the table and a devotion to leftwing causes is a waste of God-given talent.
i think you should go out and meet more non-corporate types. remember the news article entitled "Getting Rich from Proverty"? it's about NGOs and some charitable what-not raking in greenbacks from various donors.
but even if you stay dirt-poor, who's to say what's wasteful and what isn't? i think religion IS a waste of GOD-GIVEN TALENT.
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Magis, eloquencia, sapientia...these are words that mean nothing to heathens out there. These are words that are construed only along the lines of the bragadocious.
don't you just love it? vive le noblese!
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So next time some non-blue heathen tells you that you have superiority complex, just tell that bloke that "I regret you feel that way. It's just my nature."
now this makes sense. a college diploma is really just cosmetic.
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p.s. family connections are a fact of life. fact: life isn't fair but life moves on
HA!HA!HA!HA! you put your worst point last and that spells death for any writer. maybe dependence on family connections IS your true nature?
i would simply say its the heart of an atenean that captures people... enough for the family connections stuff... this is the reality... there are certain things that was given to some but not all could have... it is people the makes this rivalry worst...
I attended both schools, so I hesitate taking sides. And the way I see it, there needn't be any sides to be taken.
I would agree with my fellow UP grad Kim that there is a healthy respect between products of both schools in the workplace. I would venture that this respect even extends to La Sallites (except when UAAP season comes around once again!). In the end, your education -- wherever you obtained it-- should allow you to open your eyes to the world around you, not shut it out. The world is a lot bigger than UP or the Ateneo (even though we thought it was the world when we were there). Your education should enable you to adapt well to that world and the never-ending changes that come with it.
I would also agree with Kim, though, that UP does not seem to have the school spirit that the Ateneo has. I would attribute that to the fact that UP is such a huge institution, with so many colleges and degree-granting units in Diliman alone. Add to that the fact that many of its students come from very disparate backgrounds, and you have a literal melting pot of people across social classes from North to South. I know that the Ateneo College has a similar mix, as do other schools. But I don't think they come close to the scale that UP has. It would be well neigh impossible to forge some kind of unity among all of us within the short four or five years that these people are together. And we're not together all the time, as we inevitably take different classes, shift courses, join orgs, graduate, etc.
On the other hand, at the Ateneo, many of us have been together since Prep! My gooseneck! It's almost like being married to these guys! Plus the fact that you're told from day one that "you're an Atenean! You should be proud of yourself!" Credit that to the Jesuits, the teachers, and most especially the High School and College BBB's who would periodically descend on the Grade School to drill those Halikinus and Fabiliohs into our heads! Talk about brainwashing! Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propagandist, could have learned a thing or two from them, huh?
But seriously, that perhaps explained why, in the UAAP games I watched in college in UP (and there were just a handful), cheering for UP seemed like, well, polite, to put it, uh, politely. I truly missed the High School BBB's that really worked the faithful blue-and-white to a frenzy! No wonder, when it's an Ateneo team on the court (moreso if the opponent happens to be wearing some green-and-white lifeless outfit), there's a sudden rush of blood to the head!
After all that, though, it's back to work, and we are all friends again.
It's also not entirely accurate to say that UP grads head for the hills while Ateneo grads head for government or business. Ateneans like Edgar Jopson and Emmanuel Lacaba went underground and died fighting for the causes they believed in. On the other hand, UP grads like Gary Olivar dabbled in activism for a while before moving on to head the Chemical Bank in New York, while Leonard Berba is a committed advocate for change management in the corporate sector, first as head of PricewaterhouseCoopers Consulting and now as CEO at Unilab.
I figure that with traditions such as these, both UP and the Ateneo contribute to the betterment of society. I'd like to think that UP, with its cry to "serve the people," and the Ateneo, with its admonition to its graduates to become "men for others," actually come together to offer their very best -- their graduates -- for the upliftment of this land we call home.
I'm really glad I went to these two great institutions of learning -- the best in the Philippines.
I would agree with my fellow UP grad Kim that there is a healthy respect between products of both schools in the workplace. I would venture that this respect even extends to La Sallites (except when UAAP season comes around once again!). In the end, your education -- wherever you obtained it-- should allow you to open your eyes to the world around you, not shut it out. The world is a lot bigger than UP or the Ateneo (even though we thought it was the world when we were there). Your education should enable you to adapt well to that world and the never-ending changes that come with it.
I would also agree with Kim, though, that UP does not seem to have the school spirit that the Ateneo has. I would attribute that to the fact that UP is such a huge institution, with so many colleges and degree-granting units in Diliman alone. Add to that the fact that many of its students come from very disparate backgrounds, and you have a literal melting pot of people across social classes from North to South. I know that the Ateneo College has a similar mix, as do other schools. But I don't think they come close to the scale that UP has. It would be well neigh impossible to forge some kind of unity among all of us within the short four or five years that these people are together. And we're not together all the time, as we inevitably take different classes, shift courses, join orgs, graduate, etc.
On the other hand, at the Ateneo, many of us have been together since Prep! My gooseneck! It's almost like being married to these guys! Plus the fact that you're told from day one that "you're an Atenean! You should be proud of yourself!" Credit that to the Jesuits, the teachers, and most especially the High School and College BBB's who would periodically descend on the Grade School to drill those Halikinus and Fabiliohs into our heads! Talk about brainwashing! Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propagandist, could have learned a thing or two from them, huh?
But seriously, that perhaps explained why, in the UAAP games I watched in college in UP (and there were just a handful), cheering for UP seemed like, well, polite, to put it, uh, politely. I truly missed the High School BBB's that really worked the faithful blue-and-white to a frenzy! No wonder, when it's an Ateneo team on the court (moreso if the opponent happens to be wearing some green-and-white lifeless outfit), there's a sudden rush of blood to the head!
After all that, though, it's back to work, and we are all friends again.
It's also not entirely accurate to say that UP grads head for the hills while Ateneo grads head for government or business. Ateneans like Edgar Jopson and Emmanuel Lacaba went underground and died fighting for the causes they believed in. On the other hand, UP grads like Gary Olivar dabbled in activism for a while before moving on to head the Chemical Bank in New York, while Leonard Berba is a committed advocate for change management in the corporate sector, first as head of PricewaterhouseCoopers Consulting and now as CEO at Unilab.
I figure that with traditions such as these, both UP and the Ateneo contribute to the betterment of society. I'd like to think that UP, with its cry to "serve the people," and the Ateneo, with its admonition to its graduates to become "men for others," actually come together to offer their very best -- their graduates -- for the upliftment of this land we call home.
I'm really glad I went to these two great institutions of learning -- the best in the Philippines.
QUOTE(Brown_Eyes @ Apr 17 2002, 02:58 AM)
Not just in the business world,
UP grads are deemed No.1 and the Best. (But it is very seldom that you here them brag about the FACT that they are NO. 1)
In contrast, Ateneo grads are just "WANNA-BEs & FEELING NO.1". (They possess superiority complex, eventhough in reality, they don't hold the TOP and NO.1 spot. That's the great IRONY of it all.)
Newei, The great advantage/edge of an Atenean, is his/her daddy's or mommy's CONNECTION(S) and money.
UP grads are deemed No.1 and the Best. (But it is very seldom that you here them brag about the FACT that they are NO. 1)
In contrast, Ateneo grads are just "WANNA-BEs & FEELING NO.1". (They possess superiority complex, eventhough in reality, they don't hold the TOP and NO.1 spot. That's the great IRONY of it all.)
Newei, The great advantage/edge of an Atenean, is his/her daddy's or mommy's CONNECTION(S) and money.
Hmmmm with his spelling and grammar I'm pretty sure he isn't from Ateneo or UP.
Don't understand why these ACET failures think this is the best way to get back at ADMU.... just don't make sense to me.
back to the topic...
I think ADMU and UP graduates both do as well as each other in the business world. Difference... to be honest I think Ateneans would be more "sosi" which really isn't a bad thing. It's all in the school batch culture and home upbringing. Capacity to do work, I think they would both do as well as each other.
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